Was the southern states attempt at disunion peaceful?

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Was the southern states attempt at disunion peaceful?

  • Yes

    Votes: 6 25.0%
  • No

    Votes: 18 75.0%

  • Total voters
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Lost Cause

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Didn't Grant quickly free the slave he inherited? Once Mary Todd married Lincoln no she didn't.
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Grant does receive a lot of heat for inheriting the slave from his father in law. He detested the practice and thereby granted his slave freedom after the inheritance. His wife Julia and Sherman, on the other hand, were more enthusiastic slaveowners. The former being a source of embarrassment for Grant as she and her “servant” often accompanied him during campaigns.
 

BuckeyeWarrior

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Texas v White is worthless propaganda and corrupt claptrap. And the constitutionality of secession has never been adjudicated by the Supreme Court. Nothing has changed. Not even close.
Texas v White was a Supreme Court decision that determined the Union was perpetual and that secession was unconstitutional. The constitutionality of secession was determined by this case which has been used by at least one state Supreme Court in their determination that secession is unconstitutional. Nothing you have said has changed that. Not even close.
 
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BuckeyeWarrior

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Consent by whom?
Texas v White said there might be a way for secession to be constitutional. They didn’t elaborate but I would think it would be either through a law passed by congress, a constitutional amendment that would allow it, or a Supreme Court ruling allowing it.
 
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Duncan

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Texas v White was a Supreme Court decision that determined the Union was perpetual and that secession was unconstitutional. The constitutionality of secession was determined by this case which has been used by at least one state Supreme Court in their determination that secession is unconstitutional. Nothing you have said has changed that. Not even close.
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Texas v White is worthless propaganda and corrupt claptrap. And the constitutionality of secession has never been adjudicated by the Supreme Court. Nothing has changed. Not even close.
 

Viper21

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No, WV was created through the procedure set out in the constitution. Since there is no procedure in the constitution it would have to be created by congress or by adding an amendment.
There was some dirty pool played, in the formation of West Virginia.

Would make for a great stand alone thread. I know there have been others on the subject.
 
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Lost Cause

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No, WV was created through the procedure set out in the constitution. Since there is no procedure in the constitution it would have to be created by congress or by adding an amendment.
There was some dirty pool played, in the formation of West Virginia.
Would make for a great stand alone thread. I know there have been others on the subject.
Very dirty...
 
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BuckeyeWarrior

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Texas v White was a Supreme Court decision that determined the Union was perpetual and that secession was unconstitutional. The constitutionality of secession was determined by this case which has been used by at least one state Supreme Court in their determination that secession is unconstitutional. Nothing you have said has changed that. Not even close.
 

Duncan

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Texas v White was a Supreme Court decision that determined the Union was perpetual and that secession was unconstitutional. The constitutionality of secession was determined by this case which has been used by at least one state Supreme Court in their determination that secession is unconstitutional. Nothing you have said has changed that. Not even close.


Texas v White is worthless propaganda and corrupt claptrap. And the constitutionality of secession has never been adjudicated by the Supreme Court. Nothing has changed. Not even close.
 

CSA Today

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Texas v White said there might be a way for secession to be constitutional. They didn’t elaborate but I would think it would be either through a law passed by congress, a constitutional amendment that would allow it, or a Supreme Court ruling allowing it.
Wasn't it the the lack of right of the people to decide for themselves the gripe of the rebellious 13 colonies?
 
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BuckeyeWarrior

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Texas v White is worthless propaganda and corrupt claptrap. And the constitutionality of secession has never been adjudicated by the Supreme Court. Nothing has changed. Not even close.
The fact remains that the Alaska Supreme Court used it as precedent in their decision that secession was unconstitutional. So we have at least two Supreme Court cases, one federal, one state, funding that secession is unconstitutional. You have your opinion which has no force of law in our judicial system.
 
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