krvaldovinos
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In your opinion, was it just and why do you think so?
It depends what your personal political beliefs are.If you think ending slavery and preserving the Union are worthy ideals then yes it's a just war. If one thinks slavery and **** are wonderful things not so much.In your opinion, was it just and why do you think so?
In your opinion, was it just and why do you think so?
Wonderful way to pigeon hole a response...It depends what your personal political beliefs are.If you think ending slavery and preserving the Union are worty ideals then yes it's a just war. If one thinks slavery and **** are wonderful things not so much.
Leftyhuner
On the other hand if your a slave and your wife and daughter are sexual playthings for Master one might view war as a means of resolving conflict just a tad differently.In my opinion, no war is just. Violence should always be the last resort to conflicts. Humans are stupid creatures, and are ruled by greed. If you look at wars, virtually all of them have a greedy reasoning behind it. Whether it's for more land, resources, money, or legitimacy. I never could understand why us humans have a "military" to train our fellow beings solely to kill others. It's horrible, and it's why I think it's so important to honor our veterans from every war who did their duty to their country. No matter how glorious the movies make it look, the reality is so, very terrible.
"It is well that war is so terrible, otherwise we should grow too fond of it." - R.E. Lee
On the other hand if your a slave and your wife and daughter are sexual playthings for Master one might view war as a means of resolving conflict just a tad differently.
Leftyhunter
On the other hand if you are conscripted against your will and forced to fight and die, then I believe those who gave their lives are justified. As wrong as slavery was, if you think sending over 600,000 American to their graves is okay then I am not arguing with you. Especially if a great portion of those were men with families, who were forced to leave to fight, or die.On the other hand if your a slave and your wife and daughter are sexual playthings for Master one might view war as a means of resolving conflict just a tad differently.
Leftyhunter
On the other hand if your from Eastern Tennessee or elsewhere from a Southern state where folks are not slave owners and your conscripted to fight on behalf of slave owners that treat you as dirt then one might have another perspective.On the other hand if you are conscripted against your will and forced to fight and die, then I believe those who gave their lives are justified. As wrong as slavery was, if you think sending over 600,000 American to their graves is okay then I am not arguing with you. Especially if a great portion of those were men with families, who were forced to leave to fight, or die.
Nice image with 'playthings.' If that's you're Narrative, so be it.
Show us this was typical? We'll need really good sources, it'll be fun.
You are the one trying to justify the war. To go to war over slavery, especially to defend it, is quite sad. You are actually helping prove my point. At the start of the war, the goal was to preserve the Union, and the goal of the CS government was to preserve the institution of slavery. You certainly are in no position to say who can and can not decide if a war is worth it. I never fought in a war, but do I think starting a war to prevent a political agenda such as communism is justified, sending young high school graduates to war? No, and I have every right as a citizen to make my own opinion if war is justified. As I said no matter the cause, violence should always be the last means. The U.S. in 1861 wasn't ready for war, that I can assure.On the other hand if your from Eastern Tennessee or elsewhere from a Southern state where folks are not slave owners and your conscripted to fight on behalf of slave owners that treat you as dirt then one might have another perspective.
Only 5 percent of the Union Army was composed of draftees.
Was the war worth it? Is any war worth it? Only the indviduals involved and those who have to pay for the war can decide. Fair to say many Americans supported the war on both sides and many did not.
It's a moral and political judgement call.
Leftyhunter
The thing is, while slavery was a monstrous wrong and I believe a war to end it would have been a just war, that was not this war. While the Confederacy assuredly seceded to preserve slavery, the Union just as assuredly did not go to war to liberate the slaves. They went to war to prevent the South from seceding. Only later, under complicated circumstances, did emancipation become a goal.
It's my feeling that the states did have the right to secede. In some cases their state constitutions made it clear that they joined with the expectation of that right. I believe that conquering and holding territories which had expressed a desire to leave - for whatever reason - was a grave wrong from which this country has never recovered.
I also believe that freeing the slaves was a glorious act and the only way forward into the light of day. But once again, the union never set out to do that.
Consensus: wrong on both sides. The only people who were in the right were the slaves themselves, who had no government representing them, since the Dred Scott decision had declared them not to be citizens of either side.
In your opinion, was it just and why do you think so?