ep 26, 2016 at 10:01 PM -
JerseyBart: Seems like Butterfield made those questions up with an agenda. I've read the trial,of Meade. He was out to get him.
Sep 26, 2016 at 10:02 PM -
MaryDee: Definitely! He was trying to show that Meade wanted to retreat.
Sep 26, 2016 at 10:02 PM -
JerseyBart: An then butterfield was just out to cover his butt
Sep 26, 2016 at 10:03 PM -
MaryDee: I don't know if he already planned to testify before the Committee on Conduct of the War at the time of the meeting, but he certainly interpreted the meeting in such a way as to discredit Meade.
Sep 26, 2016 at 10:04 PM -
MaryDee: Hi, War Horse!
Sep 26, 2016 at 10:05 PM -
MaryDee: At least WH is showing that he's here in Chat. He may be trying to watch us and the event that must not be named at the same time?
Sep 26, 2016 at 10:06 PM -
War Horse: If you think about it all of the testimonies against Mead were from people the held grudges against him. Talk about a setup from the beginning. Hi Marydee
Sorry Bart, I didn't have time to watch the video. I'll just read from here.
Sep 26, 2016 at 10:06 PM -
PeterT: Meade certainly gets a raw deal. The Butterfield/Sickles bunch amongst others
Sep 26, 2016 at 10:07 PM -
PeterT: Hi Mike!!!
Sep 26, 2016 at 10:07 PM -
War Horse: That is to funny MaryDee. Cash made me LOL for real when he posted that. Hi PeterT
Sep 26, 2016 at 10:07 PM -
JerseyBart: Meade wasn't totally innocent. His personality made some enemies
Sep 26, 2016 at 10:08 PM -
MaryDee: Yes, the "goggle-eyed snapping turtle"
Sep 26, 2016 at 10:08 PM -
PeterT: You gotta be cruel to be kind ... as the song goes.
Sep 26, 2016 at 10:08 PM -
War Horse: Yes it did but loyalties to Hooker amoung the existing Generals also played a part in the difficulties he faced.
Sep 26, 2016 at 10:09 PM -
JerseyBart: Backfired a bit though
Sep 26, 2016 at 10:09 PM -
MaryDee: Very much so. Plus all the fussing about rank, even if it was just a matter of hours between who got promoted when.
Sep 26, 2016 at 10:12 PM -
PeterT: Meade knew who he could trust the most though - Reynolds and Hancock
Sep 26, 2016 at 10:13 PM -
MaryDee: Yes--which makes it more tragic that Reynolds was killed right at the beginning.
Sep 26, 2016 at 10:15 PM -
MaryDee: Especially since Reynolds was senior and could have influenced the others more.
Sep 26, 2016 at 10:17 PM -
War Horse: I personally loved when he promoted Hancock over O.O Howard. Howard didn't take it to well as I recall. Reynolds was a tragic loss.
Sep 26, 2016 at 10:17 PM -
JerseyBart: Dumping Doubleday, even if he thought it was deserved, made life difficult for him.
Sep 26, 2016 at 10:17 PM -
MaryDee: Doubleday was another who tried to discredit Meade.
Sep 26, 2016 at 10:18 PM -
MaryDee: and Howard.
Sep 26, 2016 at 10:19 PM -
War Horse: He was there to testify. Doubleday I mean.
Sep 26, 2016 at 10:19 PM -
MaryDee: That's what I thought. I've read some excerpts from his writings, and he sure hated both Meade and Howard, especially Meade.
Sep 26, 2016 at 10:19 PM -
PeterT: Oh yeah Doubleday .... the guy who invented baseball
Sep 26, 2016 at 10:20 PM -
MaryDee: Another of the zillion Gettysburg myths!
Sep 26, 2016 at 10:21 PM -
War Horse: The table was totally set up against Meade to begin with. I like to say things have changed, but they haven't. It's all about building your supporters and hiding the truth. Absolutely correct MaryDee.
Sep 26, 2016 at 10:23 PM -
MaryDee: We haven't mentioned Pleasanton, who wasn't at the Gettysburg meeting.
Sep 26, 2016 at 10:26 PM -
MaryDee: Interesting--this is one chat where we've used the full time, or close to it!
Sep 26, 2016 at 10:26 PM -
War Horse: No we haven't. I personally like the Meade supporters. Hancock was one in my opinion.
Sep 26, 2016 at 10:27 PM -
PeterT: Pleasanton ... mmmm. a whole discussion right there!
Sep 26, 2016 at 10:28 PM -
MaryDee: And quite a few of the next rank down, like Gibbon (who was III Corps commander because Hancock was wing commanderr
Sep 26, 2016 at 10:29 PM -
MaryDee: Sorry, II Corps--I hit two many I's!
Sep 26, 2016 at 10:30 PM -
MaryDee: I'm referring to Meade supporters.
Sep 26, 2016 at 10:31 PM -
PeterT: Bart has dropped off? Gone to watch that thing we cant talk about ... or football!
Sep 26, 2016 at 10:31 PM -
MaryDee: It is 7:30 and I gotta do some chores. I notice that JB has already left. Goodnight, all!
Sep 26, 2016 at 10:31 PM -
PeterT: Just you and me War Horse!
Sep 26, 2016 at 10:32 PM -
War Horse: I'm trying to think of all the Meade supporters. There were several and I'm drawing a blank. Any help?
Sep 26, 2016 at 10:32 PM -
PeterT: While I think of it ... when do you go off summer time? We go on this weekend I think.
Sep 26, 2016 at 10:33 PM -
War Horse: Good night all. Sorry I wasn't prepared.
Sep 26, 2016 at 10:34 PM -
JerseyBart: Sorry guys. Got sidetracked. Thank you for joining me tonight.
Sep 26, 2016 at 10:35 PM -
MaryDee: I'm back for a minute--we go off daylight time the first Sunday of November (Nov 6 at 2 am)
Sep 26, 2016 at 10:35 PM -
MaryDee: Thanks, JB, goodnight!
Sep 26, 2016 at 10:36 PM -
PeterT: Thanks everyone. OK Mary thanks. I will have to be aware of that so I don't miss these chats.