Apr 11, 2016 at 10:09 PM -
Pat Answer: NL The country needed healing also - any way it came
Apr 11, 2016 at 10:10 PM -
JerseyBart: NL...the "story" was better than the reality.
Apr 11, 2016 at 10:10 PM -
Northern Light: Agreed, all that Southern gentleman was a smoke screen.
Apr 11, 2016 at 10:10 PM -
Bee: It is always easier to believe that bad about people thanh the good. It makes folks feel good. The LOst Cause a[ppealed on so many levels
Apr 11, 2016 at 10:10 PM -
bdtex: southerners did NL.
Apr 11, 2016 at 10:11 PM -
Northern Light: I guess, but I find it unappealing and fatuous.
Apr 11, 2016 at 10:11 PM -
Bee: NL; Agreed, but sore losers are a different breed
Apr 11, 2016 at 10:11 PM -
JerseyBart: Southern gentleman is part of the myth.
Apr 11, 2016 at 10:12 PM -
MaryDee: Definitely.
Apr 11, 2016 at 10:12 PM -
bdtex: Most do now NL. Some can't let it go.
Apr 11, 2016 at 10:12 PM -
Bee: Also I found interesting was how what I thought were lost battles actually had other successes: drawing the army out of Va
Apr 11, 2016 at 10:13 PM -
Northern Light: Yeas, well when you read about some of their behaviour toward the Northern dead, it was not gentlymanly or nice, just nasty!
Apr 11, 2016 at 10:13 PM -
Pat Answer: JB 22:09 That's just it. Lee myth = saint, Grant myth = demon There really isn't anywhere else to go
Apr 11, 2016 at 10:14 PM -
MaryDee: I did know that the southern papers actually hailed Gettysburg as a victory. Lee sent a lot of supplies
Apr 11, 2016 at 10:14 PM -
JerseyBart: Agreed Pat. Good night all.
Apr 11, 2016 at 10:14 PM -
Northern Light: I am not sure I buy that, Bee. Lee wanted to crush the union Army at Gettysburg and he didn't. Sure he wanted to take the war out of Virginia, but that was very short term.
Apr 11, 2016 at 10:14 PM -
MaryDee: back to VA; he got the Union Army out of VA.
Apr 11, 2016 at 10:14 PM -
Bee: Bye JB
Apr 11, 2016 at 10:14 PM -
Northern Light: Bye, JB.
Apr 11, 2016 at 10:15 PM -
Pat Answer: Good night JB
Apr 11, 2016 at 10:15 PM -
JerseyBart: And wagons full of wasted men and the remaining left without many officers
Apr 11, 2016 at 10:15 PM -
MaryDee: And, as Davis said, he really scared the North.
Apr 11, 2016 at 10:15 PM -
JerseyBart: That was a joke. I'm not leaving.
Apr 11, 2016 at 10:15 PM -
Bee: NL: I was surprised by this obseration and wanted to know what otherst think
Apr 11, 2016 at 10:15 PM -
Bee: JB..I am gullable!!!
Apr 11, 2016 at 10:16 PM -
Northern Light: But not for long enough, Mary Dee, and at what cost to his army?
Apr 11, 2016 at 10:16 PM -
JerseyBart: Exactly NL
Apr 11, 2016 at 10:17 PM -
MaryDee: True, but the southern papers and a lot of men in the ANV didn't see it that way!
Apr 11, 2016 at 10:17 PM -
JerseyBart: I enjoyed the Grants' love story.
Apr 11, 2016 at 10:17 PM -
Northern Light: Think of the casualties and the ldiasaster of the retreat. That does not sound like much of a victory to me.
Apr 11, 2016 at 10:17 PM -
JerseyBart: Lee and Longstreet knew they lost.
Apr 11, 2016 at 10:18 PM -
Northern Light: Wish i could have quoted that in a recent thread that doesn't bear mentioning!!!!
Apr 11, 2016 at 10:18 PM -
MaryDee: Not to me, either,except that they did get back successfully. But it's true that Lee accomplished all but one of his goals (defeating the Union Army).
Apr 11, 2016 at 10:18 PM -
Pat Answer: The 'meaning' of Gettysburg is its own encyclopedia... But it could only be a raid in the long run.
Apr 11, 2016 at 10:18 PM -
PeterT: Lee offered to resign. Hardly a victory!
Apr 11, 2016 at 10:18 PM -
bdtex: I think Davis said most of the Lee myth was postwar except the goal of Gettysburg and Lee's attitude toward Union soldiers
Apr 11, 2016 at 10:19 PM -
Pat Answer: bdtex: It amazed me how
most of the myths were postwar
Apr 11, 2016 at 10:19 PM -
bdtex: Me too JB about Grant and Julia.
Apr 11, 2016 at 10:20 PM -
Northern Light: Lee was exhausted and discouraged, but I think it was merely a gesture. he knew Davis wouldn't accept his resignation, who was there to replace him?
Apr 11, 2016 at 10:20 PM -
Pat Answer: NL Why Bragg of course. BWAHAHAHAHA
Apr 11, 2016 at 10:20 PM -
PeterT: I guess so NL
Apr 11, 2016 at 10:20 PM -
JerseyBart: The real Lee doesn't sound like someone I'd want to model my life after, then or now.
Apr 11, 2016 at 10:21 PM -
Northern Light: Oh course. all part of the Lost Cause tripe.
Apr 11, 2016 at 10:21 PM -
MaryDee: Bragg, JE Johnston….
Apr 11, 2016 at 10:21 PM -
bdtex: yes PA. I hadn't heard a lot of that. Don't know a whole lot about Lee yet so I don't think I perpetuated any of those myths.
Apr 11, 2016 at 10:21 PM -
MaryDee: Loved the one about Joe Johnston being the CSA's McClellan!
Apr 11, 2016 at 10:22 PM -
PeterT: Grant thought highly of Joe and Lee thought highly of George!
Apr 11, 2016 at 10:22 PM -
Northern Light: No, because the whole basis of the southern chivalric ethos was based on dominance of other. a false foundation that could not hold indefinitely.
Apr 11, 2016 at 10:22 PM -
MaryDee: That was the part I thought was weird, PeterT
Apr 11, 2016 at 10:23 PM -
Pat Answer: McClellan and Johnston played "chess"/ Grant and Lee played "poker" Harder to bluff a chessplayer