UnCivil Podcast on Elizabeth Van Lew & Mary Bowser Spy Ring in Richmond

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With podcasts now getting hundreds of millions of downloads this year, the Civil War podcast UnCivil is back with the story of Richmond socialite Elizabeth Van Lew and former slave Mary Bowser. Their spy ring penetrated into the household of Jeff Davis, hid escaped Union POWs and kept the Union army up to date on the goings on in the Confederate capital.

http://www.gimletmedia.com/uncivil/the-ring#episode-player
 

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Bookmarked, thank you! Hoping to hear more on the relationship- one book on Bowser does that ' thing ', pitting women against each other, with Mary supposedly dismissive of Van Lew, and Elizabeth supposedly just dabbling at being a spy. Doesn't appear to be true and no idea where that perspective originated. Mary Bowser did incredible ( and extremely risky ) work in cooperation with Van Lew- love to hear more.
 

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Bookmarked, thank you! Hoping to hear more on the relationship- one book on Bowser does that ' thing ', pitting women against each other, with Mary supposedly dismissive of Van Lew, and Elizabeth supposedly just dabbling at being a spy. Doesn't appear to be true and no idea where that perspective originated. Mary Bowser did incredible ( and extremely risky ) work in cooperation with Van Lew- love to hear more.
Hope you like it. Just remember it is a podcast, so it is as much about storytelling.
 
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Even though this thread is several months old now, I hope that it's okay for me to respond.

I listen to a ton of podcasts during my commute and housework. I listened to every single episode of a bunch of different Gimlet podcasts. I found out about Gimlet Media because one of the founders used to be on public radio.

I listened to every single Uncivil episode, including the episode referenced here. I liked all of the episodes. However, something seems "weird" or "off" to me about Gimlet's relationship with the podcast and the hosts, though.

On more than one occasion, I became deeply attached to one particular Gimlet podcast or another. Then, without any prior warning, the podcast would just cease to release new episodes. I wouldn’t see any notes on social media or on the platform where I get podcasts. Months would go by. Then, Gimlet would either announce that they cancelled the podcast, or else they would finally admit that the season ended and that I should stay alert for a new season soon. In one highly-publicized example, I waited for over a year to find out that the podcast in question (Mystery Show) was cancelled and that the host (Starlee Kine) had been terminated months earlier. If you Google "Mystery Show" and "Gimlet" there are a ton of results about the controversy around the cancelling of Mystery Show.

Here’s why I mention this:
Between October and December 2017, Gimlet released ten episodes of Uncivil. And then . . . crickets. Did Uncivil’s Season One end? Would Uncivil return with a Season Two? Uncivil actually does have its own Facebook page, and indeed people posted these questions on Facebook. I didn't see any response to these answers. I actually checked in every once in awhile to see if the Facebook pages for Gimlet or Uncivil provided any answers, because I really wanted to listen to more episodes.

I moved on to other podcasts. And then I browsed iTunes for podcast suggestions. I learned through my search on iTunes that on ONE day – November 9, 2018 – Uncivil actually did release TWO brand-new episodes. I was really confused, because I checked in from time to time on Facebook and I hadn't actually seen any announcement about new Uncivil episodes.

(I guess that I would have found out about this sooner if I had actually subscribed to Uncivil, but I had an older phone and I was having storage issues by subscribing to too many podcasts at once. At that point, Uncivil hadn't released a new episode for months, so I had deleted it from my list of subscribed podcasts.)

Even weirder, the podcast app on my phone lists these two very newest episodes as “unknown season.”

So, I have no idea if Uncivil is coming back for a Season Two. I have no idea why two brand-new Uncivil episodes were both released on the same day, after eleven months of no new episodes.

The whole thing just seems really weird to me. I wonder if Gimlet Media is having any kind of creative or financial dispute with the journalists who put together Uncivil. I concede that I might just mistrust the management at Gimlet now after the whole Mystery Show controversy.

I'm posting this here to see if anybody else had similar questions / doubts / vibes about Gimlet and / or the Uncivil podcast.
 

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@Forks of the Ohio, I could apparently believe the people putting together the shows either; 1. receive inadequate compensation for their work, 2. Broadcasters (see 1.) 3. They get sidetracked into more viable interest.
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Maybe the powers that be enjoy the making of "Mystery of the Uncivil".
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