Trivia Game # 52 - Week 3

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Trivia Game # 52 - Week 3



Here are the questions for Week 3 of Game # 52

1. Until 1864, Union soldiers were issued one of these with every ten standard musket rounds. What was it?

2. What was an “agnew”?

3. The grandson of a former U.S. President, he carried his Virginia regiment’s colors to (or nearly to) the angle of the stone wall during Pickett’s Charge. Name him.

4. This Civil War general liked to demonstrate his strength by lifting his wife in the air. Name him.

5. This Union regiment had two nicknames, both alluding to the advanced ages of most of it’s members. Name the regiment and the two distinct nicknames by which it was known.



Answers are due by 6pm (eastern) on Saturday, April 19. Good Luck!
 
Trivia 52 Week 3

1.every 10th bullet had a round zinc plate on the back of it to clean out the powder residue. (that'll do)
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2.It is the name of the attire worn by the women of the Sanitary Commission Nurses during the Peninsular Campaign . A man's army shirt the original borrowed from Dr. John Agnew, collar open sleeves rolled up , shirt tails out worn over a full skirt less hoops

3. Bob Tyler, a grandson of ex-President John Tyler ("Bob"?, ... and his last name would be ...?) INCORRECT

4.Don Carlos Buell sometimes he displayed his arm and upper-body strength by clasping his wife about the waist, holding her off the floor straight out before him, and then lifting her to sit on a mantle

5.the 37th Iowa–soon to be known as the ‘Greybeards’ or the ‘Silver Greys.’
 
1. Williams Cleaner round

2. Shirt worn by Union female nurses.

3. Private Robert Tyler Jones

4. Union Major General Don Carlos Buell

5. 37th Iowa- Graybeards / Silver Greys
 
1. one Williams Patent "Cleaner" bullet

2. A type of attire worn by nurses in the Sanitary Commission. A man's army shirt (prototype was borrowed from a doctor named Agnew)

3. Robert Tyler Jones

4. Don Carlos Buell

5. 37th Iowa, "Graybeard Regiment", "Silver Greys"
 
1. Williams cleaner bullets
2. Attire worn by Sanitary Commission nurses in the Peninsula Campaign
3. Robert Tyler Jones
4. Don Carlos Buell
5. 37th Iowa, The Graybeards or Silver Grays
 
1. Williams Cleaner Bullets
2. The name given to the uniform worn by female nurses of the Sanitary Commission in the American Civil War
3. Robert Tyler Jones
4. Don Carlos Buell
5. 37th Iowa Volunteer Infantry Regiment--Greybeards & Silver Greys
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Gay
 
The answer to question 3 is John Tyler's grandson, Bob Tyler.

I will take a wild guess at question 1 and say they were issued a ration of rum.

I don't even have a good guess at questions 4 and 5. However, with your indulgence, I will attempt an answer to # 2.

A Richmond fortuneteller used the term "agnew" to refer to a government official of the future who would use alliterative terminology to denounce his opponents and would eventually be forced from office in disgrace. One specific example of the alliterative terminology was "nattering nabobs of negativism."

While the people could accept the idea that a high-rnking official might have to leave in disgrace, the concept of anyone saying something like "nattering nabobs of negativism" was considered so preposterous that the fortuneteller, Ms. Van Lew, was thereafter referred to by one and all as "Crazy Bet." :smile:

No points this week, Mr. Hoosier :smile:
 
Answers for Week 3 of Game #52:

(This may be a good time to remind players not to depend on a single source for their answer. For the questions, I have 3 or more sources.... You should probably have at least two sources to be confident, if there is any doubt in your mind. Also remember that there is no advantage, other than getting it out of the way, to posting answers early.)


1. Williams Cleaner Bullet

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Williams_cleaner_bullet

http://www.blueandgrey.zoomshare.com/1.html

http://www.championhillrelics.com/Bullets.htm

http://books.google.com/books?id=ej...iams+cleaners&sig=JW0vUPyZfWzYNuNmo8Jif8qHhdA

http://books.google.com/books?id=NW...Wuv81EK&sig=WpfssDcL9fr2cP-JDvUZcR4ablg&hl=en

http://library.thinkquest.org/06aug/01591/bullets-t.html

http://www.relicchest.com/cgi-bin/display_Items.asp?Cat=10&Sub=8

http://books.google.com/books?id=wq...lliams+bullet&sig=aVmVt9gY6nOJwVj2Ei03YrRHiJk

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1570033897/?tag=civilwartalkc-20


2. A shirt worn by female nurses serving with the Union army (also used to refer to their entire outfit).

http://civilwartalk.com/forums/terms-beginning-letter/19880-agnew-shirt.html

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1581822804/?tag=civilwartalkc-20

http://ehistory.osu.edu/uscw/features/articles/9910/definitions.cfm

http://books.google.com/books?id=c-...t0zhix7&sig=DukKvqOr05iW4wFp62gKRGD5pX0&hl=en

http://civilwarwomen.blogspot.com/2007/09/katherine-prescott-wormeley.html

http://books.google.com/books?id=m-...fA1PhGu&sig=-H5Z0R3CCjlL5I9bUxzdj8lPGlM&hl=en

http://libraryautomation.com/nymas/civilwarwomen.html



3. Robert Tyler Jones

http://www.pathsofhistory.com/artprints.asp?p=edition&ref=SFARMIO

http://books.google.com/books?id=ej...es+gettysburg&sig=WjMYw-8OZoobKuF9VcniLpLylEU

http://books.google.com/books?id=tK...kC0AZmJ&sig=9pyRy8UAlTW8w-IgFHgHqHxJz8I&hl=en

http://books.google.com/books?id=ub...z5E4xrA&sig=m2ttCWaJTmcSxRVh_Xod3ccRnoc&hl=en

http://books.google.com/books?id=jo...x6XR6_q&sig=g46jHCMAqL7C_Uq7_wK1jUOY7rs&hl=en

http://books.google.com/books?id=ub...g=gzLa3wonNLq13mc_qMXk05rNsEw&hl=en#PPA157,M1

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0684859149/?tag=civilwartalkc-20

http://www.victorianvilla.com/sims-mitchell/local/articles/phsp/011/

http://www.leaksville.com/Gettysburg.htm

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107007/quotes

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0963899333/?tag=civilwartalkc-20

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/034543403X/?tag=civilwartalkc-20

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1888952806/?tag=civilwartalkc-20

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0807826480/?tag=civilwartalkc-20

(I would accept “Robert Jones” or even “Bob Jones”, but “Bob Tyler” doesn’t pass.)



4. Don Carlos Buell

http://www.aotc.net/Buell_home.htm

http://www.thelatinlibrary.com/chron/civilwarnotes/buell.html

http://www.fiu.edu/~hisgsa/Ana-Buell.htm

http://www.angelfire.com/co3/ohoward/civilwartrivia.htm

http://books.google.com/books?id=hn...n9utsS5&sig=hEErppDi0s8pNt***VQwX91sIC4&hl=en

http://books.google.com/books?id=gT...zmjlX_H&sig=C1onZeq8sOCPaXCMsgCwrHwB54s&hl=en

http://books.google.com/books?id=Dk...83Z3Se6&sig=ET5991pzXbzN3AJlPSIodC2ZOtI&hl=en



5. 37th Iowa Infantry, Greybeards (or Greybeard Regiment) and Silver Greys.

http://iagenweb.org/civilwar/regiment/

http://www.historynet.com/george-w-kincaid-and-the-37th-iowa-infantry-in-americas-civil-war.htm

http://www.iowaflags.org/info/iowa_in_the_war.htm

http://iagenweb.org/boards/wapello/biographies/index.cgi?read=138683

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/fields/6746/graybeard.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/37th_Iowa_Volunteer_Infantry_Regiment

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~abaysview/VetsPage/Greybeards.htm

Check out the ages of these guys:

http://iagenweb.org/benton/civil_war/37th/


Missing a few players this week, but let us welcome Oxkern, all the way from Oxford, England! with a perfect score his(?) first week!

By the way, I went to the University at Oxford .... (Ohio). :smile:





Here are the scores for game #52, after Week 3:

FIRST DIVISION

Sarladaise - 14
Gay Mathis - 13
Susan Sweet - 10
Rad2duhbone53 -

SECOND DIVISION

Sockknitter - 11
natek1029 - 6
Oxkern - 5
Hoosier - 3


Thanks for playing. See you next week!


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Appeal of ruling on answer to question 3

You’ve presented plenty of evidence that there was a grandson of John Tyler named Robert Tyler Jones who carried his regiment’s colors in Pickett’s Charge. My contention is that my source indicates there must have been a second grandson, named Bob Tyler, involved in the same charge, who performed exactly the sort of flag-bearing heroics described in question 3.


"there must have been a second grandson, named Bob Tyler, involved in the same charge, who performed exactly the sort of flag-bearing heroics described"

I infer that you are suggesting that two unique grandsons of President Tyler both "performed exactly the sort of flag-bearing heroics described in question 3."

I would expect this to be an extraordinarily unusual coincidence ("Robert Tyler Jones falling, passed the colors to his cousin Bob Tyler".) Now THAT would have been a great story, which we presumably would have heard of.

Now I did find at least one, maybe two, references to one "Bob Tyler" as being that flag bearer, I came to the conclusion, in light of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary , that those references must have be informal references ("Bob" vs. "Robert"), or just inaccurate.

I guess I should have just also included this genealogy of President Tyler which indicates one Robert Tyler Jones (1843 - 1895), grandson of president Tyler., and also one other grandson named Robert (Bob?) Tyler (1857-1937) who would have been 6 years old at Gettysburg.

Case closed.

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Sorry I mistakenly edited Hoosier's post while attempting to reply to it. (Doh!) I have PMed him to repost his concerns, if he wishes. I do think I did capture the essence of his appeal, however. Sorry H.

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You’ve presented plenty of evidence that there was a grandson of John Tyler named Robert Tyler Jones who carried his regiment’s colors in Pickett’s Charge. My contention is that my source indicates there must have been a second grandson, named Bob Tyler, involved in the same charge, who performed exactly the sort of flag-bearing heroics described in question 3.

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"there must have been a second grandson, named Bob Tyler, involved in the same charge, who performed exactly the sort of flag-bearing heroics described"

I infer that you are suggesting that two unique grandsons of President Tyler both "performed exactly the sort of flag-bearing heroics described in question 3."

I would expect this to be an extraordinarily unusual coincidence ("Robert Tyler Jones falling, passed the colors to his cousin Bob Tyler".?) Now THAT would have been a great story, which we presumably would have heard of.

Now I did find at least one, maybe two, references to one "Bob Tyler" as being that flag bearer, I came to the conclusion, in light of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary , that those references must have be informal references , or just inaccurate.

I guess I should have just also included this genealogy of President Tyler which indicates one Robert Tyler Jones (1843 - 1895), grandson of president Tyler., and also one other grandson named Robert (Bob?) Tyler (1857-1937) who would have been 6 years old at Gettysburg.

http://www.sherwoodforest.org/Genealogy.html

Case closed. (?)

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Just in case anyone cares, my answer came as a result of a Google search based on “grandson of John Tyler Pickett’s Charge.” The reference to Bob Tyler can be found at:
http://gscoverco.com/Newspaper Otsego Republican - Delavan Bates.htm


The part that refers to Bob Tyler can be found about halfway down the page. It reads as follows.
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The rebel General Armistead with about four hundred of his men break the Union lines at the point where Cushing had his cannon. Here, and now is hot work for a few moments. No orders are needed. Every man realizes the situation and a grand rush is made to retake the captured line. A half a dozen regiments from Hall's, Harrow's and Webb's brigades, all mixed together, are in a hand to hand fight with Armistead's followers.
When Lieut. Cushing fell, a rebel lieutenant jumped upon the cannon and cheering his men on with an exultant cry of victory, fell pierced with a dozen bullets. Bob Tyler, a grandson of ex-President John Tyler, was shot as he planted a stand of rebel colors inside the Union lines. He was a favorite in his regiment and when the lines were forming for the charge, Gen. Armistead, riding along the front said to him: "Bob, do you see that stone wall over yonder?"
"Yes, general," was the reply.
"Well, Bob. I want you to plant your colors (he was the flag bearer) on that wall."
"I'll do it, general, or die," was the plucky answer, and he did both.
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My appeal was based not on the idea that Robert Tyler Jones might have passed a flag on to Bob Tyler, but that the two of them carried two different flags.

However, in light of the genealogical evidence that John Tyler’s grandson Robert Tyler was entirely too young to have participated in Pickett’s Charge, it is apparent that there was only one grandson who actually participated in the charge and the author of the article misstated his name.

In further light of the evidence that Robert Tyler Jones lived until 1895, it also seems that the final sentence, indicating that the subject died in the charge, indicates that the author was not one to let the facts get in the way of trying to make a good story better.

If I come across any more articles from the Otsego Republican in the future, I shall view them with an extremely jaundiced eye.
 
Just in case anyone cares, my answer came as a result of a Google search based on “grandson of John Tyler Pickett’s Charge.” The reference to Bob Tyler can be found at:
http://gscoverco.com/Newspaper Otsego Republican - Delavan Bates.htm


The part that refers to Bob Tyler can be found about halfway down the page. It reads as follows.
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The rebel General Armistead with about four hundred of his men break the Union lines at the point where Cushing had his cannon. Here, and now is hot work for a few moments. No orders are needed. Every man realizes the situation and a grand rush is made to retake the captured line. A half a dozen regiments from Hall's, Harrow's and Webb's brigades, all mixed together, are in a hand to hand fight with Armistead's followers.
When Lieut. Cushing fell, a rebel lieutenant jumped upon the cannon and cheering his men on with an exultant cry of victory, fell pierced with a dozen bullets. Bob Tyler, a grandson of ex-President John Tyler, was shot as he planted a stand of rebel colors inside the Union lines. He was a favorite in his regiment and when the lines were forming for the charge, Gen. Armistead, riding along the front said to him: "Bob, do you see that stone wall over yonder?"
"Yes, general," was the reply.
"Well, Bob. I want you to plant your colors (he was the flag bearer) on that wall."
"I'll do it, general, or die," was the plucky answer, and he did both.
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My appeal was based not on the idea that Robert Tyler Jones might have passed a flag on to Bob Tyler, but that the two of them carried two different flags.

However, in light of the genealogical evidence that John Tyler’s grandson Robert Tyler was entirely too young to have participated in Pickett’s Charge, it is apparent that there was only one grandson who actually participated in the charge and the author of the article misstated his name.

In further light of the evidence that Robert Tyler Jones lived until 1895, it also seems that the final sentence, indicating that the subject died in the charge, indicates that the author was not one to let the facts get in the way of trying to make a good story better.

If I come across any more articles from the Otsego Republican in the future, I shall view them with an extremely jaundiced eye.


Hoosier,

I also saw that article while preparing my questions, but discounted it, in the light of all the other evidence, as being, perhaps, a colloquial reference. Thanks for posting that link which I had somehow deleted.

This is a good example of why players (and moderators) should not rely on a single source for thier answers. In fact there are some good questions I'd like to use, but have not because I can only find only a single online source.

Interestingly (or not), tho most sources say Jones was a Private, I saw a few that claimed that he was a Sergeant.


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