Those States have assume the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions;

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Those States have assume the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions;

Please stay away from modern politics.

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Just to point out, as I often do, that since "institutions" is plural, there must logically be other issues involved, because slavery is a singular "institution".
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And what would those other institutions be in your opinion?

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I do understand your point. But having seen the term used in countless docs, it does seem to me that when the term institution or institutions was used, it was a reference to the peculiar institution.

But I'm open to suggestion. What other institutions would they have been referring to, that were under threat by the Black Republicans who were called out in the article?

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Anything the states controlled prior to the 14th amendment and incorporation doctrine. States determined citizenship, who could vote, who could own property, etc. As Calhoun noted, if the General government could use the tariff and taxation to claim power for coercing a state, they could claim power over anything, including slavery, as indeed they ultimately did.
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Yes. Southerners sometimes also referred to slaveholding as their "domestic institution." It sounds much more benign that way. For example, in South Carolina's "Declaration of the Immediate Causes:"

We affirm that these ends for which this Government [i.e., the United States] was instituted have been defeated, and the Government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the non-slaveholding States. Those States have assume the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection.
Kenneth Stampp, who wrote the book The Peculiar Institution argued that the phrase was designed to allow southerners to avoid using the term "slavery" in discussing slavery. Calling it their "peculiar institution" was somehow more genteel, which suggests that most slaveholders probably didn't buy the argument that slavery was a positive good.
Among those particular institutions forbidden by the 14th was the suppressing of Abolition Free Speech and censorship of the mails by the Southern States.

What institutions not related to slavery fall in the category of "domestic institutions" In the declaration above, institutions seem to be directly related to slavery.
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With the change from the Articles of Confederation to the Constitution the individual states ceded the right to coin money, set up post offices, levy taxes, create courts, regulate commerce, determine immigration and citizenship laws, raise and support armed forces, and make treaties. So none of those are domestic institutions.
 

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Stephen Douglas addressed and defined the term "domestic institutions" in a speech in the Senate on Dec. 9, 1857.

"- not the slavery question, nor the Maine liquor-law question, not the banking question, not the school question, not the railroad question, but "their domestic institutions," meaning each and all the questions which are local, not national, State, not Federal."

Wheeling daily intelligencer., December 24, 1857
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Stephen Douglas addressed and defined the term "domestic institutions" in a speech in the Senate on Dec. 9, 1857.

"- not the slavery question, nor the Maine liquor-law question, not the banking question, not the school question, not the railroad question, but "their domestic institutions," meaning each and all the questions which are local, not national, State, not Federal."

Wheeling daily intelligencer., December 24, 1857
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The only local issue I recall Douglas mentioning was "local police regulations." All questions not addressed elsewhere is rather vague.
 

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This editorial takes issue with the President characterizing domestic institutions as having to do with the home, and they insist that he knows better.

"The term "domestic institution", when applied to a State, includes Banks, revenue, courts, and in fact everything which is local to a State and not national."

Wood County reporter. (Grand Rapids [i.e. Wisconsin Rapids], Wis.) 1857-1923, April 28, 1858
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This editorial takes issue with the President characterizing domestic institutions as having to do with the home, and they insist that he knows better.

"The term "domestic institution", when applied to a State, includes Banks, revenue, courts, and in fact everything which is local to a State and not national."

Wood County reporter. (Grand Rapids [i.e. Wisconsin Rapids], Wis.) 1857-1923, April 28, 1858
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Newspaper editorials are just opinions of the editors.
 
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Resolutions of the Democratic State Convention. Slavery is one "domestic institution", but not the only one.

"... slavery... is a domestic institution."

"... to choose and regulate their own domestic institutions of every kind...."

The Perrysburg journal. (Perrysburg, Ohio) 1853-1861, January 19, 1856
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Looking at Douglas' Link to Homecoming Speech at Chicago
Stephen A. Douglas July 09, 1858

The only one of domestic institutions mentioned was slavery.

In other words, Mr. Lincoln asserts, as a fundamental principle of this government, that there must be uniformity in the local laws and domestic institutions of each and all the States of the Union; and he therefore invites all the non-slaveholding States to band together, organize as one body, and make war upon slavery in Kentucky, upon slavery in Virginia, upon the Carolinas, upon slavery in all of the slaveholding States in this Union, and to persevere in that war until it shall be exterminated. He then notifies the slaveholding States to stand together as a unit and make an aggressive war upon the free States of this Union with a view of establishing slavery in them all; of forcing it upon Illinois, of forcing it upon New York, upon New England, and upon every other free State, and that they shall keep up the warfare until it has been formally established in them all. In other words, Mr. Lincoln advocates boldly and clearly a war of sections, a war of the North against the South, of the free States against the slave States-a war of extermination-to be continued relentlessly until the one or the other shall be subdued, and all the States shall either become free or become slave.​
 

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Lincoln championed a Federal Bank. Opposed by Southerners.

Federal support of Internal Improvements. Southerners wanted it when it pertained to them, however thought that was a State Function.

Education. Republicans instituted support to the Ag Schools. South thought that was a State Institution

Many wanted Taxes to be collected at the State Level
 
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Lincoln championed a Federal Bank. Opposed by Southerners.

Federal support of Internal Improvements. Southerners wanted it when it pertained to them, however thought that was a State Function.

Education. Republicans instituted support to the Ag Schools. South thought that was a State Institution

Many wanted Taxes to be collected at the State Level
So the South seceded to avoid the danger of agricultural colleges. Edited.
 

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Stop the madness.
"Domestic institutions" refers to slavery.
Let's say that domestic institutions were things like protecting citizens, control of courts and police, then FSL 1850 and the Taney Court ran roughshod over them. Like States Rights in the antebellum period, domestic institutions was situational.
 

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Stop the madness.
"Domestic institutions" refers to slavery.
No, slavery is one of the domestic institutions. Not all. It fits into the broader category, and I've provided evidence of that.

That "consolidation" was a constant concern over the decades is another piece of evidence. Consolidation meaning the federal government absorbs the powers of the state governments and rules from Washington. That was never just about slavery.
 
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If people can’t see the relationship differents between the States and Federal Government, Antebellum and Post War Edited.
 

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This editorial takes issue with the President characterizing domestic institutions as having to do with the home, and they insist that he knows better.

"The term "domestic institution", when applied to a State, includes Banks, revenue, courts, and in fact everything which is local to a State and not national."

Wood County reporter. (Grand Rapids [i.e. Wisconsin Rapids], Wis.) 1857-1923, April 28, 1858
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In South Carolina's statement of secession the author assert the state has the rights to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances and establish commerce. However the authors indicate no desire to any of those things. Most of the state is taken up by the complaint that the northern states did not fulfill their obligation to return slaves to their rightful owner. There were no complaints that SC was not allowed to make a commercial treaty with Switzerland and go to war with the Swiss if they broke the treaty.
 
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No, slavery is one of the domestic institutions. Not all. It fits into the broader category, and I've provided evidence of that.

That "consolidation" was a constant concern over the decades is another piece of evidence. Consolidation meaning the federal government absorbs the powers of the state governments and rules from Washington. That was never just about slavery.
Yeah, slavery is probably down there with issuing dog licenses and speeding tickets are one of the domestic institutions that the black republican abolitionists with their miscegernating ways might want to consolidate. Pull the other one.
 
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