There was only one Civil War in the United States.

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wausaubob

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Prior to the actual Civil War, separationist schemes were discussed. Aaron Burr launched a treasonous scheme and South Carolina flirted with nullification ideas until Andrew Jackson made it clear that there would be no nullification during his terms in office.

For a nation born from rebellion from the world's greatest imperial power, in the 18th century, the fact that it took 80 years for people to try it again is somewhat odd.

When the secessionists put together their plan there was an active coerced labor economy in 13 of the 34 states and a residual coerced labor economy in 2 more states. The other 19 states relied on a paid labor economy in which need, and the desire to get ahead provided a ready labor force.

Although several of the paid labor states had primarily agricultural economies, none of them objected to the tariff system which was so strongly desired by Pennsylvania businessmen and laborers, and led consequently to the rise of Andrew Carnegie and subsequently to US Steel. All the states that seceded had an active coerced labor system.

After the Civil War, within 8 months, slavery was outlawed in the United States. Many features of political and social discrimination remained, but the cuffles, the selling of young men into the deep South ended, and the level of sexual exploitation decreased.

After the Civil War, no state ever petitioned for secession in a serious manner.

Certainly there must have been instances in which officers of the US Army and US Navy committed acts that aided the enemies of the US, but I am unaware of instances in which 1/3 of the army officers deserted or resigned their commissions and joined a coalition to seize territory that had been purchased by the United States and in which the United States had assumed debts, like the debt of the Republic of Texas.

When the issue is posed this way, the connection between secession and slavery becomes harder to disregard.
Further, the acts of people who had been educated by the US government and had been paid officers of the US, in joining an allegedly foreign conspiracy, lacks any reasonable comparable event.
 
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Prior to the actual Civil War, separationist schemes were discussed. Aaron Burr launched a treasonous scheme and South Carolina flirted with nullification ideas until Andrew Jackson made it clear that there would be no nullification during his terms in office.

For a nation born from rebellion from the world's greatest imperial power, in the 18th century, the fact that it took 80 years for people to try it again is somewhat odd.

When the secessionists put together their plan there was an active coerced labor economy in 13 of the 34 states and a residual coerced labor economy in 2 more states. The other 19 states relied on a paid labor economy in which need, and the desire to get ahead provided a ready labor force.

Although several of the paid labor states had primarily agricultural economies, none of them objected to the tariff system which was so strongly desired by Pennsylvania businessmen and laborers, and led consequently to the rise of Andrew Carnegie and subsequently to US Steel. All the states that seceded had an active coerced labor system.

After the Civil War, within 8 months, slavery was outlawed in the United States. Many features of political and social discrimination remained, but the cuffles, the selling of young men into the deep South ended, and the level of sexual exploitation decreased.

After the Civil War, no state ever petitioned for secession in a serious manner.

Certainly there must have been instances in which officers of the US Army and US Navy committed acts that aided the enemies of the US, but I am unaware of instances in which 1/3 of the army officers deserted or resigned their commissions and joined a coalition to seize territory that had been purchased by the United States and in which the United States had assumed debts, like the debt of the Republic of Texas.

When the issue is posed this way, the connection between secession and


becomes harder to disregard.
Further, the acts of people who had been educated by the US government and had been paid officers of the US, in joining an allegedly foreign conspiracy, lacks any reasonable comparable event.
It can be argued that the Revolutionary War was the first Civil War in that not all of the colonists were united in rebellion against the British. Indeed the British did recruit Tory regiments that fought bravely and well. Many colonists were neutral in the Revolutionary War.
There was also the Whiskey Rebellion although it was brief and on a small scale.
There was certainly many examples of post Civil War violence between Americans.
True in that the Civil War is far and away the worst inter American conflict.
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Bruce Vail

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The American Revolution is sometimes called America's first civil war. Tories fought for the King and engaged in armed combat against their countrymen. As losers in the war, some were subject to reprisals and left the United States for shelter in Canada or elsewhere.
 

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The American Revolution is sometimes called America's first civil war. Tories fought for the King and engaged in armed combat against their countrymen. As losers in the war, some were subject to reprisals and left the United States for shelter in Canada or elsewhere.
Also the British Army offered emancipation to slaves who joined the British Army. Indians fought on both sides arguably more for the British. Prior to French diplomatic recognition of the United States technically it was English subject vs English subject.
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