The Walker Tariff of 1846

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I fail to see how remaining in the Union would amount to subjugation.
well, the governors of several seceding states when asked by the Union to supply them troops declined using "we will not provide not one not a single soldier for the subjugation of our sister states" as a reason.
 

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We really need some hard data to support the assertion that tariffs were a major reason for the ACW. Tariffs in 1861 were at a historical low.
We have so far no idea what the average tariff burden was for a white Southern family.
We have no idea what exact imported items were so vital to the well being of Southern whites.
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None at the time. you are right...but what did the Republican party platform have at its core? Higher taxes/tariffs. No one claims current tariffs as a reason...but rather purposed tariffs....there was no secession until the republican administration and its purposed platform was elected.....he didnt run on abolishing slavery.
 
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well, the governors of several seceding states when asked by the Union to supply them troops declined using "we will not provide not one not a single soldier for the subjugation of our sister states" as a reason.
This is after the rebellion was a fact. My comment clearly refers to pre-secession. How would a southern state remaining in the Union amount to subjugation?
 
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This is after the rebellion was a fact. My comment clearly refers to pre-secession. How would a southern state remaining in the Union amount to subjugation?
sure, forcing any state to subject themselves to the will of a federal entity is by definition...subjugation
 

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None at the time. you are right...but what did the Republican party platform have at its core? Higher taxes/tariffs. No one claims current tariffs as a reason...but rather purposed tariffs.
Higher tariffs could be easily countered in the US Senate if the Southern states did not secede.
Also you haven't mentioned Southern backed tariffs such has the rice tariffs to protect South Carolina rice farmers, the sugar tariffs to protect sugar plantations in Louisiana, Tobacco tariffs for Kentucky and Virginia Tobacco farmer's.
Again without hard data in just how much money the tariff burden imposed on white Southerners we just can't evaluate if tariffs was a major cause of the ACW.
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only for another 2 years or so. think long term...they did. They also could have preserved slavery forever if they stayed in and ratified the corwin amendment....shots down the idea that they left to preserve slavery....as it was better preserved staying in. hmmm. an unamendable amendment to further protect slavery...and they left anyway.
Let's try to stay on topic concerning Tariffs being a major cause of the ACW.
We need to know what the average income of the white Southern families were and what percentage of their income actually was spent on tariffs. We also need to know why tariffs that protect Northern businesses are evil and those that protect Southern businesses are virtuous.
We still don't know what imported products were so essential to the well being of white Southerners.
We also don't know why Northeners who also payed tariffs were not so upset paying them.
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We still don't know what imported products were so essential to the well being of white Southerners.
We also don't know why Northeners who also payed tariffs were not so upset paying them.
well, as explained...the issue was future tariffs...i can not ..and you know it which is why you think this point salient ...give data that the war pre empted...gotta run. have a good one
 
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