The Untold History of Life as a Southern Slave

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1stvermont

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Runaway slaves?

Blacks could have escaped to nearby union lines but few chose to do so, and instead remained at home and became the most essential element in the southern infrastructure to resisting northern invasion”
-Professor Edward C. Smith


Sometimes the picture portrayed is that slaves all wanted to run away from their masters and would do so any chance they got. While there is no question that many slaves ran away from bad conditions and bad masters, this occurrence was infrequent. During the decades leading up to the war, 1850's and 60's, only 1 out of every 4,919 slaves ran away. During the war a perfect opportunity for those who wanted to run presented itself, and those who wanted to could have done so. By the middle to end of the war, nearly all male whites were in service in the CSA army. The north invading the south and winning provided a great opportunity for slaves to run away, yet very few slaves chose to do so. According to Lincoln and secretary seawards numbers, 95% of slaves stayed home during the war.

After the war the veterans of the confederacy wanted to build a statue recognizing the effort from the woman at home, the woman said instead to build a statue for the loyal slaves who made it all possible. The politically incorrect runaway slave you will not typically read about are those slaves that were captured by union soldiers, forced into service of manual labor (slavery) and ultimately ran away back to their masters. Many in the south felt the slaves had it very good, such as John Randolf who said “the slaves will advertise for runaway masters.”


The federals captured and forced large numbers of black into military service from Virginia to Alabama and in between. Sometimes entire plantations [men and Boys] were taken and made captive and forced in to either fighting units of colored troops, or more often into forced labor for the military [Sound like slavery?].

“A Major general ordered an indiscriminate conscription of every able bodied colored man...the negroes fled to the woods and swamps...they were hunted....seized them and forced them to enlist”
-General Rufuf A Saxton to Secretary of war Stanton Dec 30 1864


“The Negroes will not go voluntarily, so I am obliged to force them.... they must be forced to go”
-General Innis N Palmer to general Butler in 64


Slaves, union soldiers and generals gave accounts of entire plantations hiding in the woods and needing to be hunted down and forced, [while kicking and screaming] to help the northern war effort. Colored soldiers in Virginia led a armed revolt against the union army. Not until 1865 when the war was near its end, did the north make forced conscription of slaves illegal. The often used term “them **** yankees” originated by a slave who was forced captured by the union and taken from his owner. His reply “de d'yam yankees”.

"Freed people throughout the Union-occupied South often toiled harder and longer under Federal officers and soldiers than they had under slave owners and overseers--and received inferior food, clothing, and shelter to boot."
"Free At Last: A Documentary History of Slavery, Freedom, and the Civil War", 1992 edited by Ira Berlin, & others.


In the slave narratives former slaves talk often of their family members being taken by union soldiers off the plantations. The politically incorrect runaway slaves you will not hear about, are those slaves captured and forced into labor by the union, that ran away from the union back to their plantations. There are many accounts of slaves being taken by union soldiers and running away from the union army to return to their masters. Leading a lieutenant in a letter to his wife saying “as a general rule [slaves] preferred to stay at home”.

“Let us capture Negroes and use them to the best of advantage”
-General Sherman to General Halleck September 4 1864


“The Negroes were sad...this mode of [conscription] is redundant”
-May 2 1862 written to US secretary of treasury


“A major of colored troops is here with his party of captured Negroes, with or without consent...they are being conscripted”
-General Grant received on Feb 26 1864


“Officers in command of colored troops are in constant habit of pressing all able bodied slaves into the military service”
-Union General Rousseau


“Whenever the enemy have been able to gain access, they have forced into the ranks of their army able bodied [Black] men that they could seize”
-Confederate president Jeff Davis
 

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Runaway slaves?

Blacks could have escaped to nearby union lines but few chose to do so, and instead remained at home and became the most essential element in the southern infrastructure to resisting northern invasion”
-Professor Edward C. Smith


Sometimes the picture portrayed is that slaves all wanted to run away from their masters and would do so any chance they got. While there is no question that many slaves ran away from bad conditions and bad masters, this occurrence was infrequent. During the decades leading up to the war, 1850's and 60's, only 1 out of every 4,919 slaves ran away. During the war a perfect opportunity for those who wanted to run presented itself, and those who wanted to could have done so. By the middle to end of the war, nearly all male whites were in service in the CSA army. The north invading the south and winning provided a great opportunity for slaves to run away, yet very few slaves chose to do so. According to Lincoln and secretary seawards numbers, 95% of slaves stayed home during the war.

After the war the veterans of the confederacy wanted to build a statue recognizing the effort from the woman at home, the woman said instead to build a statue for the loyal slaves who made it all possible. The politically incorrect runaway slave you will not typically read about are those slaves that were captured by union soldiers, forced into service of manual labor (slavery) and ultimately ran away back to their masters. Many in the south felt the slaves had it very good, such as John Randolf who said “the slaves will advertise for runaway masters.”


The federals captured and forced large numbers of black into military service from Virginia to Alabama and in between. Sometimes entire plantations [men and Boys] were taken and made captive and forced in to either fighting units of colored troops, or more often into forced labor for the military [Sound like slavery?].

“A Major general ordered an indiscriminate conscription of every able bodied colored man...the negroes fled to the woods and swamps...they were hunted....seized them and forced them to enlist”
-General Rufuf A Saxton to Secretary of war Stanton Dec 30 1864


“The Negroes will not go voluntarily, so I am obliged to force them.... they must be forced to go”
-General Innis N Palmer to general Butler in 64


Slaves, union soldiers and generals gave accounts of entire plantations hiding in the woods and needing to be hunted down and forced, [while kicking and screaming] to help the northern war effort. Colored soldiers in Virginia led a armed revolt against the union army. Not until 1865 when the war was near its end, did the north make forced conscription of slaves illegal. The often used term “them **** yankees” originated by a slave who was forced captured by the union and taken from his owner. His reply “de d'yam yankees”.

"Freed people throughout the Union-occupied South often toiled harder and longer under Federal officers and soldiers than they had under slave owners and overseers--and received inferior food, clothing, and shelter to boot."
"Free At Last: A Documentary History of Slavery, Freedom, and the Civil War", 1992 edited by Ira Berlin, & others.


In the slave narratives former slaves talk often of their family members being taken by union soldiers off the plantations. The politically incorrect runaway slaves you will not hear about, are those slaves captured and forced into labor by the union, that ran away from the union back to their plantations. There are many accounts of slaves being taken by union soldiers and running away from the union army to return to their masters. Leading a lieutenant in a letter to his wife saying “as a general rule [slaves] preferred to stay at home”.

“Let us capture Negroes and use them to the best of advantage”
-General Sherman to General Halleck September 4 1864


“The Negroes were sad...this mode of [conscription] is redundant”
-May 2 1862 written to US secretary of treasury


“A major of colored troops is here with his party of captured Negroes, with or without consent...they are being conscripted”
-General Grant received on Feb 26 1864


“Officers in command of colored troops are in constant habit of pressing all able bodied slaves into the military service”
-Union General Rousseau


“Whenever the enemy have been able to gain access, they have forced into the ranks of their army able bodied [Black] men that they could seize”
-Confederate president Jeff Davis
Proof?
 
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Why did so many slaves flee their plantations whenever a Union army was nearby?
Because people don't like being enslaved. Our new pro slave advocate doesn't mention that slave owners had an extensive system of slave patrolers and informants to prevent slaves from escaping.
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Here is why many did

The Dog and the Wolf
http://www.bartleby.com/17/1/28.html



Runaway slaves?

Blacks could have escaped to nearby union lines but few chose to do so, and instead remained at home and became the most essential element in the southern infrastructure to resisting northern invasion”
-Professor Edward C. Smith


Sometimes the picture portrayed is that slaves all wanted to run away from their masters and would do so any chance they got. While there is no question that many slaves ran away from bad conditions and bad masters, this occurrence was infrequent. During the decades leading up to the war, 1850's and 60's, only 1 out of every 4,919 slaves ran away. During the war a perfect opportunity for those who wanted to run presented itself, and those who wanted to could have done so. By the middle to end of the war, nearly all male whites were in service in the CSA army. The north invading the south and winning provided a great opportunity for slaves to run away, yet very few slaves chose to do so. According to Lincoln and secretary seawards numbers, 95% of slaves stayed home during the war.

After the war the veterans of the confederacy wanted to build a statue recognizing the effort from the woman at home, the woman said instead to build a statue for the loyal slaves who made it all possible. The politically incorrect runaway slave you will not typically read about are those slaves that were captured by union soldiers, forced into service of manual labor (slavery) and ultimately ran away back to their masters. Many in the south felt the slaves had it very good, such as John Randolf who said “the slaves will advertise for runaway masters.”


The federals captured and forced large numbers of black into military service from Virginia to Alabama and in between. Sometimes entire plantations [men and Boys] were taken and made captive and forced in to either fighting units of colored troops, or more often into forced labor for the military [Sound like slavery?].

“A Major general ordered an indiscriminate conscription of every able bodied colored man...the negroes fled to the woods and swamps...they were hunted....seized them and forced them to enlist”
-General Rufuf A Saxton to Secretary of war Stanton Dec 30 1864


“The Negroes will not go voluntarily, so I am obliged to force them.... they must be forced to go”
-General Innis N Palmer to general Butler in 64


Slaves, union soldiers and generals gave accounts of entire plantations hiding in the woods and needing to be hunted down and forced, [while kicking and screaming] to help the northern war effort. Colored soldiers in Virginia led a armed revolt against the union army. Not until 1865 when the war was near its end, did the north make forced conscription of slaves illegal. The often used term “them **** yankees” originated by a slave who was forced captured by the union and taken from his owner. His reply “de d'yam yankees”.

"Freed people throughout the Union-occupied South often toiled harder and longer under Federal officers and soldiers than they had under slave owners and overseers--and received inferior food, clothing, and shelter to boot."
"Free At Last: A Documentary History of Slavery, Freedom, and the Civil War", 1992 edited by Ira Berlin, & others.


In the slave narratives former slaves talk often of their family members being taken by union soldiers off the plantations. The politically incorrect runaway slaves you will not hear about, are those slaves captured and forced into labor by the union, that ran away from the union back to their plantations. There are many accounts of slaves being taken by union soldiers and running away from the union army to return to their masters. Leading a lieutenant in a letter to his wife saying “as a general rule [slaves] preferred to stay at home”.

“Let us capture Negroes and use them to the best of advantage”
-General Sherman to General Halleck September 4 1864


“The Negroes were sad...this mode of [conscription] is redundant”
-May 2 1862 written to US secretary of treasury


“A major of colored troops is here with his party of captured Negroes, with or without consent...they are being conscripted”
-General Grant received on Feb 26 1864


“Officers in command of colored troops are in constant habit of pressing all able bodied slaves into the military service”
-Union General Rousseau


“Whenever the enemy have been able to gain access, they have forced into the ranks of their army able bodied [Black] men that they could seize”
-Confederate president Jeff Davis
Why didn't black Union soldiers desert the Union Army and fight in the Confederate Army or become Confederate guerrillas since they loved their slave masters so much?
Confederate soldiers did in large numbers desert the Confederate Army or became Unionist guerrillas.
See my thread "Union vs CSA guerrillas" and "did conscription hurt or help the CSA?" for sources.
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Why did so many slaves flee their plantations whenever a Union army was nearby?
You may want to look at this existing thread: Life as a Southern Slave

It begins with one premise, but quickly evolves in the direction that your posit suggests here on this thread. You may save yourself a lot of time, and the forum can conserve bandwidth by not having to regurgitate more pages of pre-packaged responses, which can be found in abundance on the aforementioned thread.
 
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If the Slaves were content, then why all Southeners were deathly scared of Abolitionists, to the point of claiming they would incite insurrections and lynching them?
 

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If the Slaves were content, then why all Southeners were deathly scared of Abolitionists, to the point of claiming they would incite insurrections and lynching them?
I was actually just going to point that out as a reason that more southern slaves didn't flee to the Union army. Slave owners already had decades of pointing out abolitionists were bad, so it was easy to transfer that distrust to soldiers.

1stvermont said:
After the war the veterans of the confederacy wanted to build a statue recognizing the effort from the woman at home, the woman said instead to build a statue for the loyal slaves who made it all possible.
I think you snipped off some of the untold story, there:

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/05/the-mammy-washington-almost-had/276431/
"And blacks not only fulminated against the statue; they organized protests. Petitions and letters poured into the offices of politicians and newspapers, including one presented by two thousand black women to Vice President Calvin Coolidge and the Speaker of the House." Ultimately, it never got built, even though it was being proposed at the height of the mammy craze, when southern white women in particular were trying to reinvent the role of loyal Mammy.
 
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