The last Confederate troops to surrender in the Civil War were Native American — here’s how they ended up fighting for the South

It was formed from the merger of two predecessor units the First Regiment of Cherokee Mounted Rifles, and the Second Regiment of Cherokee Mounted Rifles.
If you click on the view battle unit's soldiers you'll see: Showing 786 results for "1st Regiment, Cherokee Mounted Rifles, CSA" .
How does that get us to 10k full time soldiers?
Leftyhunter
 
As far as Waite fighting for Slavery. The Yankee reformers, along with many Abolitionist, cheered when the Cherokee embraced Slavery. It made the Cherokee more like the White Man.
Doesn't change the fact that Waite fought for slavery and other Indians opposed slavery.
Leftyhunter
 
Republican Land Policy reduced the land holding of the Indians in Indian Territory. Did away with Tribal Traditions. Also, Lincoln Treated all Indians as Dis-Loyal and tore up their Treaties. Even those stupid enough to fight for the Yankee.

Waite knew what he was fighting for. Also, what he was fighting against, The Yankee.
No political party was pro Indian until well into the 20th Century. If white people wanted Indian land then sooner or latter they would get Indian land. No President and no political party was going to get in the way of that.
Leftyhunter
 
Where exactly has anybody said 10k men peak strength? And where exactly has anybody said that those units existed all together at one point?
That's what I am trying to find out from @19th Georgia. It's either 10k Indians joined the Confederate Army or a smaller amount constantly joined the Confederate Army and played musical chairs enlisting, resigning and the reenlisting in various Indian regiments.
Leftyhunter
 
Looks like more than 10,000.

Confederate units in Indian Territory

Cherokee Nation
  • 1st Cherokee Mounted Rifles
  • 1st Regiment of Cherokee Mounted Volunteers
  • 2nd Regiment of Cherokee Mounted Volunteers
  • 3rd Cherokee Regiment of Volunteer Cavalry
  • Cherokee Regiment (Special Services), CSA
  • 1st Cherokee Battalion of Partisan Rangers
  • 2nd Cherokee Artillery
  • Cherokee Special Services Battalion
  • Scales' Battalion of Cherokee Cavalry
  • Meyer's Battalion of Cherokee Cavalry
  • Cherokee Battalion of Infantry
  • 1st Squadron of Cherokee Mounted Volunteers
Creek Nation
  • 1st Regiment Creek Mounted Volunteers
  • 2nd Regiment Creek Mounted Volunteers
  • 1st Battalion Creek Confederate Cavalry
Seminole Nation
  • 1st Regiment Seminole Mounted Volunteers
  • 1st Battalion Seminole Mounted Volunteers
Chickasaw Nation
  • 1st Regiment of Chickasaw Infantry
  • 1st Regiment of Chickasaw Cavalry
  • 1st Battalion of Chickasaw Cavalry
  • Shecoe's Chickasaw Battalion of Mounted Volunteers
Choctaw Nation
  • 1st Choctaw & Chickasaw Mounted Rifles
  • 1st Regiment of Choctaw Mounted Rifles
  • 2nd Regiment of Choctaw Cavalry
  • 3rd Regiment of Choctaw Cavalry
  • Deneale's Regiment of Choctaw Warriors
  • Folsom's Battalion of Choctaw Mounted Rifles
  • Capt. John Wilkin's Company of Choctaw Infantry
Northwest Frontier Command of Indian Territory
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(Col. Roswell W. Lee, Commanding)
  • 1st Osage Battalion
  • Major George Washington's Frontier Battalion
  • Major James W. Cooper's Battalion
@GELongstreet
Maybe this guy said there were 10k plus Confederate Indians.
Leftyhunter
 
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Doesn't change the fact that Waite fought for slavery and other Indians opposed slavery.
Leftyhunter

Don't change the Fact that Lincoln considered all of them disloyal. Stopped their Annuity Payments and took away a large portion of their lands. End of the Day, they weren't Yankee. They were another hyphenated American, like Southerners. Made no difference if they were Unionist or Slaveowners.
 
Andrew Jackson, a Southerner, was probably the most vigorous proponent of Indian removal. The Five Civilized Tribes were forced west because Southerners wanted their land in the South. The notion that the South was somehow innocent of mistreatment of Native Americans because it was the Federal government signing the treaties and waging the wars is like saying if you hire a hitman then you have nothing to do with the ensuing murder.
 
Andrew Jackson, a Southerner, was probably the most vigorous proponent of Indian removal. The Five Civilized Tribes were forced west because Southerners wanted their land in the South. The notion that the South was somehow innocent of mistreatment of Native Americans because it was the Federal government signing the treaties and waging the wars is like saying if you hire a hitman then you have nothing to do with the ensuing murder.
Odd i thought Andrew Jackson was a US president, perhaps you meant if one thought the US was somehow innocent...........there never was a nation called the South as you captilize it.

Suppose under the same twisted logic the north was responsible for the FSL as Millard Fillmore was president, a New Yorker...............

Where the president is from doesn't change US policy into just some regional policy at all, it remains US policy.........
 
One thing is certain, post war, former civil war Union military leadership was responsible for the subjugation of the plains and other indian tribes out west. Sherman, Custer, Crook, Sheridan, Grant, and others, which included massacres.
 
The Pro/Anti-Confederate split in the Cherokee Nation also ran along the same lines as the Pro/Anti-Removal factions 30 years earlier.
 
One thing is certain, post war, former civil war Union military leadership was responsible for the subjugation of the plains and other indian tribes out west. Sherman, Custer, Crook, Sheridan, Grant, and others, which included massacres.
And included Southern enlisted men doing the massacring. Can you name any Southern politician in the Nineteenth Century that opposed federal government policy towards the Indian's. Did any group of Southern voters oppose federal Indian policy during the Nineteenth Century?
Leftyhunter
 
Don't change the Fact that Lincoln considered all of them disloyal. Stopped their Annuity Payments and took away a large portion of their lands. End of the Day, they weren't Yankee. They were another hyphenated American, like Southerners. Made no difference if they were Unionist or Slaveowners.
Post Civil War what Southern politicians and or Southern civic group had a problem with federal Indian policy?
Leftyhunter
 
Looks like more than 10,000.

Confederate units in Indian Territory

Cherokee Nation
  • 1st Cherokee Mounted Rifles
  • 1st Regiment of Cherokee Mounted Volunteers
  • 2nd Regiment of Cherokee Mounted Volunteers
  • 3rd Cherokee Regiment of Volunteer Cavalry
  • Cherokee Regiment (Special Services), CSA
  • 1st Cherokee Battalion of Partisan Rangers
  • 2nd Cherokee Artillery
  • Cherokee Special Services Battalion
  • Scales' Battalion of Cherokee Cavalry
  • Meyer's Battalion of Cherokee Cavalry
  • Cherokee Battalion of Infantry
  • 1st Squadron of Cherokee Mounted Volunteers
Creek Nation
  • 1st Regiment Creek Mounted Volunteers
  • 2nd Regiment Creek Mounted Volunteers
  • 1st Battalion Creek Confederate Cavalry
Seminole Nation
  • 1st Regiment Seminole Mounted Volunteers
  • 1st Battalion Seminole Mounted Volunteers
Chickasaw Nation
  • 1st Regiment of Chickasaw Infantry
  • 1st Regiment of Chickasaw Cavalry
  • 1st Battalion of Chickasaw Cavalry
  • Shecoe's Chickasaw Battalion of Mounted Volunteers
Choctaw Nation
  • 1st Choctaw & Chickasaw Mounted Rifles
  • 1st Regiment of Choctaw Mounted Rifles
  • 2nd Regiment of Choctaw Cavalry
  • 3rd Regiment of Choctaw Cavalry
  • Deneale's Regiment of Choctaw Warriors
  • Folsom's Battalion of Choctaw Mounted Rifles
  • Capt. John Wilkin's Company of Choctaw Infantry
Northwest Frontier Command of Indian Territory

(Col. Roswell W. Lee, Commanding)
  • 1st Osage Battalion
  • Major George Washington's Frontier Battalion
  • Major James W. Cooper's Battalion
If you actually know the context of the so called Indian Confederate troops for example just google" Stan Waite Civil War"
and read the Battle Field Trust article on top of the page ( perhaps @O' Be Joyful can post a link) the article makes it quite clear that the Indian Confederate units listed where not to be used per the insistence of the Indian's out side of the Indian Territory or the present day state of Oklahoma.
Stating that 10k Indians from the Indian Territory enlisted in the Confederate Army is a bit disingenuous if they can't leave the IT to fight where they can make a difference. It would be more accurate to state that the Confederacy had at best Could Belligerent Indian Militia.
At the battle of Pea Ridge per Battle Field Trust linked in the above article a grand total if 800 Indians fought for the Confederacy and didn't really accomplish all that much.
Leftyhunter
 
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If you actually know the context of the so called Indian Confederate troops for example just google" Stan Waite Civil War"
and read the Battle Field Trust article on top of the page ( perhaps @O' Be Joyful can post a link) the article makes it quite clear that the Indian Confederate units listed where not to be used per the insistence of the Indian's out side of the Indian Territory or the present day state of Oklahoma.
Stating that 10k Indians from the Indian Territory enlisted in the Confederate Army is a bit disingenuous if they can't leave the IT to fight where they can make a difference. It would be no accurate to state that the Confederacy had at best Could Belligerent Indian Militia.
At the battle of Pea Ridge per Battle Field Trust linked in the above article a grand total if 800 Indians fought for the Confederacy and didn't really accomplish all that much.
Leftyhunter
According to the Smithsonian National Museum of the American Indian, roughly 20,000 Indians served in the ACW, of whom only 3600 were Union.

https://americanindian.si.edu/static/patriot-nations/conflicting-loyalties.html

Note how easy it to present 16K for CSA and 3.6K for Union...…….its actually not that hard to present both sides, instead of ignoring one........
 
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Degataga
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Brigadier General, Tribal Chieftan
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Civil War
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DATE OF BIRTH - DEATH
December 12, 1806 – September 9, 1871

The only Native American to be fully promoted to the rank of General in the Civil War, Stand Watie was born Degataga, meaning "Stand Firm" in the Cherokee language, and baptized as Isaac in Georgia to a man named David Uwatie and his mixed-race wife, Susan Reese. "Stand Watie" is actually a combination of his English and Cherokee names. Like many children of wealthy Cherokee planter families, Watie grew up bilingual and received a Western-style education from local Christian missionaries. At the time, the Cherokee Nation was considered by many Anglo-Americans as one of the "Five Civilized Nations," along with the Chickasaw, Choctaw, Muscogee and Seminole, for their adoption of certain Western cultural customs such as centralized government, agriculture, Christianity, ability to speak English, as well as the use of African slavery (the Cherokee, of course, had been practicing agriculture for centuries before Europeans arrived in North America, and they were far from the only Native group to do so). This did mean, however, that these tribes had close diplomatic relations with the United States government, and existed as semi-sovereign nations for many years.

Under the threat of Indian Removal and increasing harassment from local state militias, Watie and several other tribal members helped to negotiate the Treaty of New Echota with the United States, which confirmed Cherokee relocation to Indian Territory, now modern-day Oklahoma. Watie's party represented only a minority of the Nation, and their actions caused an enormous rift between them and the majority that opposed any relocation, represented by Principal Chief John Ross. The treaty was ratified in the U.S. Senate, and the Cherokee were ordered to leave their ancestral lands in what became known as the Trail of Tears.

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