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THE KU KLUX KLAN OR INVISIBLE EMPIRE BY Mrs. S. E. F. Rose Important Book Shaping View of the KKK

Discussion in 'Post Civil War History, The Reconstruction Period' started by Pat Young, Jan 8, 2016.

  1. Pat Young

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    The thread I posted two weeks ago on the founding of the Ku Klux Klan has engaged a lot of discussion on that group's role in Reconstruction. @suzenatale posted a link to an early book on the KKK by S.E.F. Rose, a historian of the United Daughters of the Confederacy.

    The book was designed to be read by school children.

    The book provides an interesting look at Klan historiography. I thought it might be interesting for folks to read this work and have an extended discussion of it here. The book itself is relatively short. I read it in two days a couple of weeks ago. It is also available for free as a google book:


    THE KU KLUX KLAN OR INVISIBLE EMPIRE BY Mrs. S. E. F. Rose

    https://books.google.com/books?id=1YMfAQAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=The+Ku+Klux+Klan:+or+Invisible+empire+By+Laura+Martin+Rose&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjv5uml-5nKAhUBGh4KHZprB0oQ6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=The Ku Klux Klan: or Invisible empire By Laura Martin Rose&f=false
     
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    Because Reconstruction topics can sometimes spin out of control here, I would ask that we try to observe some rules:

    1. Please observe the normal rules of civil conversation. Being obnoxious does not make your case more convincing.
    2. You can discuss the book entirely within its own parameters, but if you bring in outside information, please provide citations. Web links are preferred, but references to books should include title, author and relevant pages. Providing these upfront will help people focus on the evidence you present rather than on why you are making unsupported claims. Sourcing is a good way to avoid the personalization of the argument.
    3. Understand that this book is itself an artifact. It was written at a specific time and place and it may tell us as much about that time and place as it does about the KKK of the Reconstruction Era.
    4. Because of the topic and the time when this book was written, comments should be limited to the First Klan (Reconstruction Era), and the period from 1877 through the publication of the book in 1914. The Third Klan should definitely not be part of the discussion.
    5. Because this is a book discussion, rather than a discussion of all things KKK, can folks try to focus on the points made by Mrs. S.E.F. Rose, even while incorporating other sources into the discussion.
     
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    The cover page:

    kkk front page.PNG
     
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    Here is the dedication of the book:

    kkk dedication.PNG

    While the book is dedicated to "the Youth", I wonder what folks think of the next line in which she calls "the Confederate soldiers...the real Ku Klux."
     
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    The book received some prestigious endorsement. Here is the one from the Daughters of the Confederacy:

    kkk endorsement udc.PNG
     
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    If the KKK was pretending to be ghosts of dead Confederate soldiers, then Confederate soldiers would be the real thing.
     
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    So she was researching and writing this at the exact moment that Dunning's students were researching and writing. For example, W. Watson Davis is interviewing former Regulators for his Florida Reconstruction book during the early 1910s.
     
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    Here is the endorsement from the Sons of Confederate Veterans:

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    I wonder: How difficult was it to get an endorsement for a book from the UDC and SCV? Were these given pretty routinely to any book with a Southern white perspective or was this a big deal?
     
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    Also, the UDC endorsement said it would work to place the book in school libraries and to see it was used by schools as a "Supplementary Reader." I am not sure what a ""Supplementary Reader" is in this context. The SCV also said it would try to have the book "placed in schools throughout the South." Anyone know if they were successful in getting the book into the schools? Was this sort of thing common with the SCV/UDC?
     
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    What utter garbage. ch XIII gave me reflux
     
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    Good point.
     
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    Or, if the dead slave owners had actually been kind "employers" (as Lost Cause propaganda would have us believe), wouldn't the ex-slaves welcome their beloved masters' ghosts instead of fearing them?
     
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    https://books.google.com/books?id=1YMfAQAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false

    Here's a tip for getting rid of your original seach in your links, first you go to
    "about this book" then you select "preview this book." From there on that pesky first seach wont keep reappearing.
     
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    She thanks Walter Fleming, one of the Dunning writers, for allowing her to quote from his book on the KKK and use photos from his book.
     
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    The UDC gave it a unanimous endorsement.
     
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    I wonder how common this was.
     
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    I found this on Professor Loewen's site:

    The following article in the Vol. 21 No. 11, November 1913 Confederate Veteran, page 518, announces that S.E.F. Rose has written a book for students to be used in the schools.


    WORTHY U. D. C. WORKER IN MISSISSIPPI.


    Mrs. S. E. F. Rose, of West Point, Miss., is a most enthusiastic U. D. C. worker. Her administration as State President of the U. D. C. of Mississippi, which was just closed by constitutional limitation, was marked by brilliancy and advancement along all lines of work, over a thousand new members having been added to the Division. When asked as to what she attributed her success, she replied: “My heart was in it.” Mrs. Rose served as State Historian, U. D. C., prior to her election as President, and has written many valuable historical papers, notably the “Ku Klux Clan,” which she gave permission to the Mississippi Division to sell for the benefit of a Confederate monument to be erected at Beauvoir, Miss., the home of the President of the Confederacy, Jefferson Davis. The booklet met with great success, having been sold in thirty-eight States and in far-away China, and the Mississippi Division now has the sum of $500 from the sales of the booklet as a nucleus for the monument.


    During the past summer Mrs. Rose prepared a history of the Ku Klux Clan in suitable form for school study, and she will endeavor to secure its adoption as a supplementary reader in the schools, thus bringing the true history of this great organization direct to the young people of the Southland, our boys and girls of to-day, who will be our citizens of to-morrow. Mrs. Rose will ask the indorsement of the U. D. C. for the book and feels that if she can get this information to the youth of our land she will have accomplished a great mission.


    Mrs. Rose will attend the coming convention in New Orleans, and on Historical Evening will present a beautiful silver loving cup for the best essay on “The Women of the Confederacy.” This contest was inaugurated this year by Mrs. Rose by permission of the President General and Historian General, and the loving cup is her personal gift in order to stimulate interest in the collection of data about these wonderful women, the mothers of the Confederacy.

     

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