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The Great Civil War Ngram Showdown

Discussion in 'Civil War History - General Discussion' started by Pat Young, Feb 15, 2017.

  1. Pat Young

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    Here is a match-up between the terms Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson. Of course the same two men could have been referred to as Thomas Jackson and Bobby Lee, but I figured these were the iconic terms for the generals. Interestingly, Stonewall was mentioned a lot more than Lee early on, but now Lee dominates:
    ngram lee jackson.JPG
     
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    On another thread, someone said that the United States Colored Troops were no more neglected than the Army of the Tennessee. Here is a comparison of the two terms:

    ngram army of the tenn.JPG
     
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    What should we even call this event?

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    Interesting -- "War Between the States" is largely a postwar term, and didn't really gain traction until the 20th century.
     
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    If we don't want to be anachronistic, we should call the actual war what folks back then called it, the War of the Rebellion.
     
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    If we are describing historiography of the white resistance movement of the 1950s and 1960s, we should refer to the War Between the States.

    If we want a politically neutered term, Civil War is ok.
     
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    Unfortunately "Civil War" doesn't work on Ngram, since it can't distinguish between the conflict of 1861-65 and any number of other wars over the centuries.
     
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    hello pat I actually find it a bit interesting I would like to see things like when the idea of black Confederates was first kicked around. I would think that didn't happen until all the Confederate soldiers had passed on. If you have a chore please let me know thank you..
     
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    That one I've done before. As you can see, it was almost never seen before the 1960s and only became a thing after the movie Glory.

    ngram black confederates.JPG
     
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    You need to establish a baseline with that thing[​IMG]
     
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    I really like this one:

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    tthank you pat you always, come up with great stuff.
     
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    Thanks Ken.
     
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    Here's what it was called in my family.

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    It's really interesting that "the war of Northern Aggression" seems to have arisen in the Civil Rights Era, not at a time when people who remembered the war were still around.
     
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    Is "rebellion" a pejorative?
     
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    It was seen that way by Confederate partisans.
     
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    I suppose it could depend on whether you are the "rebeller" or the "rebellee."

    Actually, I think preference for the term "Late Rebellion" reflects simply the preponderance of northern imprints in Google's "sample." I doubt very much the term was much used in southern accounts of the war. I expect it was felt to be perjorative by southern writers, and intended to be perjorative by most northern writers.
     
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    Civil Rights was also depicted as a form of Northern Agression by some white Southerners.
     
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    I can see that. A bunch of Feds and Northerners "coming down here stirring up trouble."
     
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