It may indeed be a great book. On the other hand by 1861 most of the American states had transitioned away from slavery. Yes slavery was still important but if it could not expand the top pro slavery politicians knew its time was ticking. Brass Napoleoan has provided us with quotes about that.There's too much to quote in this, but it's an hour well spent. Edward Ayers talking about our National history...
It may indeed be a great book. On the other hand by 1861 most of the American states had transitioned away from slavery. Yes slavery was still important but if it could not expand the top pro slavery politicians knew its time was ticking. Brass Napoleoan has provided us with quotes about that.
Leftyhunter
It may indeed be a great book. On the other hand by 1861 most of the American states had transitioned away from slavery. Yes slavery was still important but if it could not expand the top pro slavery politicians knew its time was ticking. Brass Napoleon has provided us with quotes about that.
Leftyhunter
I guess we will never know. Brazil was the last Christian country to end slavery in 1888 or their about's. Muaratania it was legal until 30 or 40 years ago. Alternative history is has Ole says a slippery slope. My point was that by 1861 the US economy was making a transition away from it and slavery had a limited time span . The proof is that slave prices where going down in the border states since slaves where escaping via the underground RR to Canada not by the thousands but enough to drive down prices. In the long term once the border states no longer had slavery then the slaves in the deep South would work their way North. Unless all the states strictly enforced the FSA slavery was doomed.All depends on what you want to prove. Slavery could have ticked on 50-100 more years.
I guess we will never know. Brazil was the last Christian country to end slavery in 1888 or their about's. Muaratania it was legal until 30 or 40 years ago. Alternative history is has Ole says a slippery slope. My point was that by 1861 the US economy was making a transition away from it and slavery had a limited time span . The proof is that slave prices where going down in the border states since slaves where escaping via the underground RR to Canada not by the thousands but enough to drive down prices. In the long term once the border states no longer had slavery then the slaves in the deep South would work their way North. Unless all the states strictly enforced the FSA slavery was doomed.
Leftyhunter
My point was that by 1861 the US economy was making a transition away from it and slavery had a limited time span . The proof is that slave prices where going down in the border states since slaves where escaping via the underground RR to Canada not by the thousands but enough to drive down prices.
In the long term once the border states no longer had slavery then the slaves in the deep South would work their way North. Unless all the states strictly enforced the FSA slavery was doomed.
Leftyhunter
The economics of slavery is only half the issue. The other half is that white men did not want black people - who in some locations outnumbered them - to become citizens and vote.
There's too much to quote in this, but it's an hour well spent. Edward Ayers talking about our National history...
The economics of slavery is only half the issue. The other half is that white men did not want black people - who in some locations outnumbered them - to become citizens and vote.
Drew,
Thanks for posting this, as Ayers is on my very short list of favorite historians. However, I can't get the file to play past the halfway mark. Even downloaded it and had the same issue. Can you share with me what the main points are from the second half of the lecture?
Thanks.
- Terry
Good questions. per the book"The South vs the South how anti-Confederate Southerners shaped the course of the war by William W. Freeling Singletary Professor of the Humanities University of Kentucky, Lexington Oxford University PressI'd like to see the source for this.
How many slaves actually escaped to free states per year?
I thought Ethiopia was the last Christian county to out law slavery. Emperor Halie Selassie officially ended slavery in 1942. Slavery in Ethiopia did take another 20 years or so to end there.I guess we will never know. Brazil was the last Christian country to end slavery in 1888 or their about's. Muaratania it was legal until 30 or 40 years ago. Alternative history is has Ole says a slippery slope. My point was that by 1861 the US economy was making a transition away from it and slavery had a limited time span . The proof is that slave prices where going down in the border states since slaves where escaping via the underground RR to Canada not by the thousands but enough to drive down prices. In the long term once the border states no longer had slavery then the slaves in the deep South would work their way North. Unless all the states strictly enforced the FSA slavery was doomed.
Leftyhunter
Good questions. per the book"The South vs the South how anti-Confederate Southerners shaped the course of the war by William W. Freeling Singletary Professor of the Humanities University of Kentucky, Lexington Oxford University Press
p.27 "Of the more the 5,000 runaways a year who made it to the North border slaves where the vast majority. "If border slaves escapes to the North increased ,prudent borderland capitalists would increase their slave sales to the lower south. The Freeling talks about how that would decrease the amount of sales and give momentum to Casius Clay and Frank Blair who wanted to relocate slaves out of their states. If all this occurs has t was eventually the border South states (and Dl was just about their) would have few slaves and slaves from other states would use it has a transition way to the North. Freeling also points out their was no national police force to capture runaway slaves. Has slavery became more unpopular in the North their would be in effect a snowball effect where slaves would eventually make their way North. The only solution is more slave states has a buffer. Lincoln pointed out that a nation can not be half slave and half free. he may be right.
Leftyhunter