Slave Pen

No, I understand what you are saying. But, you know, a gilded cage is still a cage. I know what I'm talking about because my people were taken from where they lived forever and put somewhere else and hunted down and killed if they didn't stay there. I don't see a difference with slavery. Hell, I'm still on the reservation. Does that mean it's because I was treated well, it wasn't so bad? Well, given that the alternative was death, I guess so. What should have been mine would have made me richer than Buffet and Gates combined! Meh, them's the way the dice done rolled. But does it have an effect on me and my kids and my (hopefully) grandkids? Hell, yes.
Thats a whole nother monster . My great grandmother was full blooded suix. Ive heard many stories about land and sutch. This subject rubs me the rong way,every one makes light of "indians" with their ( i bet you own a casino) type jokes. But slavery and native american land wars are 2 different things.My point Diane, was not that slavery is ok, or that it wasnt wrong,my point is that some slaves didnt wanna leave.Some slaves wanted to continue their lifestyle.
 
is that a fact?
Betty Cofer, age 81:
The rest of the family was all fine folks and good to me, but I loved Miss Ella better'n anyone or anything else in the world. She was the best friend I ever had. If I ever wanted for anything, I just asked her and she give it to me or got it for me somehow. . . . I done lived to see three generations of my white folks come and go and they're the finest folks on earth.
Patsy Mitchner, age 84 when interviewed on July 2, 1937:
Before two years had passed after the surrender, there was two out of every three slaves who wished they was back with their marsters. The marsters' kindness to the ****** after the war is the cause of the ****** having things today. There was a lot of love between marster and slave, and there is few of us that don't love the white folks today. . . . Slavery was better for us than things is now, in some cases. ******s then didn't have no responsibility; just work, obey, and eat.
Sylvia Cannon, age 85:
Things sure better long time ago then they be now. I know it. Colored people never had no debt to pay in slavery time. Never hear tell about no colored people been put in jail before freedom. Had more to eat and more to wear then, and had good clothes all the time 'cause white folks furnish everything, everything. Had plenty peas, rice, hog meat, rabbit, fish, and such as that.


These statements come from The Federal Writers Project, about two thousand interviews with elderly former slaves, conducted in the 1930s, all of which are available here:

http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/snhtml/snhome.html

Unedited and in their entirety. Now I have read only a couple dozen of these, more or less at random, but the carefully selected and edited examples above were clearly picked, not at random, but with a clear agenda in mind.
 
Thats a whole nother monster . My great grandmother was full blooded suix. Ive heard many stories about land and sutch. This subject rubs me the rong way,every one makes light of "indians" with their ( i bet you own a casino) type jokes. But slavery and native american land wars are 2 different things.My point Diane, was not that slavery is ok, or that it wasnt wrong,my point is that some slaves didnt wanna leave.Some slaves wanted to continue their lifestyle.

Thanks! Ok, I'll accept that. I don't agree, though! :smile:(As a matter of fact, California just ok'd a Karuk casino - I will be a casino Indian someday! :giggle: )

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About one quarter of the slaves in the South were Native Americans. Slavery is very much our issue, too.
 
Thanks! Ok, I'll accept that. I don't agree, though! :smile:(As a matter of fact, California just ok'd a Karuk casino - I will be a casino Indian someday! :giggle: )
When you get that casino,id like a room for a night for free. :wink: im not a gabling man,but id love to see cali!
 
These statements come from The Federal Writers Project, about two thousand interviews with elderly former slaves, conducted in the 1930s, all of which are available here:

http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/snhtml/snhome.html

Unedited and in their entirety. Now I have read only a couple dozen of these, more or less at random, but the carefully selected and edited examples above were clearly picked, not at random, but with a clear agenda in mind.
the link came from the American civil rights review site,sir.
 
When you get that casino,id like a room for a night for free. :wink: im not a gabling man,but id love to see cali!

Say, when my cousin gets elected chief, you'll get the five-star room and a front seat for Wayne Newton! (We'll even throw in a bucket of nickels for the one-armed bandits!) But I'll take you downriver where you'll see the REAL California - best go with a Native! :wink:
 
Say, when my cousin gets elected chief, you'll get the five-star room and a front seat for Wayne Newton! (We'll even throw in a bucket of nickels for the one-armed bandits!) But I'll take you downriver where you'll see the REAL California - best go with a Native! :wink:
ive got a little native blood,so ill trust another native :smile:
 
LT.J.H.McDaniel said:
I think that may be YOUR point,but not mine, i dont care that there was slavery,i dont care that they were freed,i dont care that they were mistreated or that they were taken care of. It wasnt in my life time,it wasnt my doings and wasnt my problem. My point is that many slaves were not treated as horribly as many like to imagine. The link i posted proves my statement.

Wow. Okay.
 
is that a fact?
Betty Cofer, age 81:
The rest of the family was all fine folks and good to me, but I loved Miss Ella better'n anyone or anything else in the world. She was the best friend I ever had. If I ever wanted for anything, I just asked her and she give it to me or got it for me somehow. . . . I done lived to see three generations of my white folks come and go and they're the finest folks on earth.
Patsy Mitchner, age 84 when interviewed on July 2, 1937:
Before two years had passed after the surrender, there was two out of every three slaves who wished they was back with their marsters. The marsters' kindness to the ****** after the war is the cause of the ****** having things today. There was a lot of love between marster and slave, and there is few of us that don't love the white folks today. . . . Slavery was better for us than things is now, in some cases. ******s then didn't have no responsibility; just work, obey, and eat.
Sylvia Cannon, age 85:
Things sure better long time ago then they be now. I know it. Colored people never had no debt to pay in slavery time. Never hear tell about no colored people been put in jail before freedom. Had more to eat and more to wear then, and had good clothes all the time 'cause white folks furnish everything, everything. Had plenty peas, rice, hog meat, rabbit, fish, and such as that.
Really how about the quotes from people remembering slaves being torn apart by dogs bet those were the good times weren't they.. You use quotes from people of the last years of their lives who are worried about who is going to take care of them... Do you think they recalled fondly on their masters when their children or loved ones were sold off to another state to pay off the owners debt...
 
How about this quote...

But honey chile, all white folks warn 't good to dere slaves, cause I'se seen pore ******s almos' tore up by dogs, and whipped unmercifully, when dey did'nt do lack de white folks say

or this one

"Slavery was the worst days was ever seed in the world. They was things past tellin', but I got the scars on my old body to show to this day. I seed worse than what happened to me. I seed them put the men and women in the stock with they hands screwed down through holes in the board and they feets tied together and they naked behinds to the world. Solomon the the [sic] overseer beat them with a big whip and massa look on. The ******s better not stop in the fields when they hear them yellin'. They cut the flesh most to the bones and some they was when they taken them out of stock and put them on the beds, they never got up again.

I been blind and mos' helpless for five year. I'm gittin' might enfeeblin' and I ain't walked outside the door for a long time back. I sets and members the times in the world. I members now clear as yesterday things I forgot for a long time. I members bout the days of slavery and I don't lieve they ever gwine have slaves no more on this earth. I think Gawd done took that burden offen his black chillun and I'm aimin' to praise him for it to his face in the days of Glory what ain't so far off.

This person was blind and helpless for five years and still praising God for ending slavery...
 
Were also talking about a subject that took place 150 years ago. We didnt live back then...it was a different place and time than what we know. Back then, slavery wasnt anything to brag about,but it was a common practice.For instance.. Now a days,its socially acceptable to consume alcohol,its nothing to brag about..but its acceptable... Same idea. Lets change subjects from slaves,Lets instead talk about a middle class white male. I middle class whit male would like to give up his 3 bedroom 2 bath, minivan and acre yard for a mansion, Rolls and a pool with a grotto.. Same as your idea of a slave wanting to live like his master. Its a dream. A nice dream to have,but is it likley its gonna happen? Probably not. Might as well enjoy that 3 bed room..Wich is what most slaves done. They stayed on the plantations,continued their service and got paid for it. Whats better than working for real money, having a bed at night and food? Sounds like a modern middle class white man to me. Work all week at the factory in order to have a house,a bed and a meal. Not much difference there.
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LT,

I am somewhat frustrated because I wrote a post that keyed on two specific points, and your response did not address either of them. I will say the following and see how it goes.

(1) The definition of mistreatment is "to treat a person or animal badly, cruelly, or unfairly." Let's consider some examples of slaves being mistreated compared to whites:
• all slaves were denied the freedoms, liberties, and rights of free whites
• the fruits of the slave's labor were owned by the slavemaster
• the children of slaves were owned by the slavemaster

LT, it comes down to this: do the above items constitute mistreatment or not? Of note is that in the antebellum era, it was unacceptable to treat whites this way, and acceptable to treat blacks this way.

(2) You confuse love and affection with the provision of freedom, liberty, and rights. Just because a slave loves a master, and vice versa, that doesn't mean the slave was treated to the same freedoms, liberties, rights, privileges and opportunities of white family members.

I often grimace when I hear people say, "we treated our slaves as family." I always ask: were any white family members held in bondage?" If not, you can't say the slaves were treated like family. Treating slaves "like family" would dictate that the slaves be manumitted and given the same freedoms as white family.

(3) I will repeat again: the only way to fully and properly evaluate the economic status of slaves is to compare the circumstances of the average free white. Maybe the average slave was better off than the bottom 2% of whites; the problem was that the slave was worse off than 98% of whites, with no prospects for improvement.

What's interesting is that no white man today or back then would accept hereditary bondage and the loss of freedom and liberty in return for the guarantee of never having to "live under the bridge," yet such bondage is touted as a boon for blacks. It seems that blacks are not given credit for knowing what whites know: that freedom for one's self and family is priceless.

- Alan
 
An important part of history often overlooked and excused, as evidenced by a number of comments on this thread.
Thanks Diana, I was suprised by the response to the post. Im not one to start controversy, but these pictures struck a chord with me and thought they were very poignant and worth bringing attention to the members of the board that may have not seen them. Ted
 
I think that may be YOUR point,but not mine, i dont care that there was slavery,i dont care that they were freed,i dont care that they were mistreated or that they were taken care of. It wasnt in my life time,it wasnt my doings and wasnt my problem. My point is that many slaves were not treated as horribly as many like to imagine. The link i posted proves my statement.

I am truly hoping that the above sentences are a failure to communicate and not meant as they are written.
 
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