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As we have seen over and over, many slaveholders were very sincere in their religious beliefs. They felt slavery was part of God's plan, and they had an obligation to care for their slaves.
For them it was a moral obligation to provide for their slaves throughout their service and old age.
The question becomes whether paternalism was and is a good thing whether practiced by benevolent slaveholders or olent benevbusiness leaders. In the 19th century, that question appears to have been answered "NO' in both situations....
 

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As we have seen over and over, many slaveholders were very sincere in their religious beliefs. They felt slavery was part of God's plan, and they had an obligation to care for their slaves.
For them it was a moral obligation to provide for their slaves throughout their service and old age.
The question becomes whether paternalism was and is a good thing whether practiced by benevolent slaveholders or olent benevbusiness leaders. In the 19th century, that question appears to have been answered "NO' in both situations....
Need evidence and or references.
 

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I get the distinct impression that those claiming that slavery had some sort of social or medical safety net for the slaves are absolutely trying to have us all pick up a **** by the clean end.
My impression is more along the lines of posting random stuff to see what gets a rise.
 
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jgoodguy,

I asked this question before on the other thread and never got a reply from either RebForever or CSA Today.

If there was such a thing as a antebellum "slavery social safety net" and it did provide the poor, old and sick slaves with health and food benefits, then why weren't poor whites in Northern factories or poor Southern whites lining up to become slaves to reap all of these social benefits from Southern slaveholders?

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I get the distinct impression that those claiming that slavery had some sort of social or medical safety net for the slaves are absolutely trying to have us all "pick up a **** by the clean end."
For the most part, I agree,
Still, we should not lose sight of the fact that many slaveholders believed slavery was God's will and that they had a responsibility as slaveholders to their slaves. That certainly did not make slavery any easier for the slave, who was still deprived of his/her liberty and free choice. Nor did it alleviate many of the worst characteristics of the practice.
We can see with great clarity that they were misguided, as could some then. But they had convinced themselves they were morally right and had God on their side.
 

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jgoodguy,

I asked this question before on the other thread and never got a reply from either RebForever or CSA Today.

If there was such a thing as a antebellum "slavery social safety net" and it did provide the poor, old and sick slaves with health and food benefits, then why weren't poor whites in Northern factories or poor Southern whites lining up to become slaves to reap all of these social benefits from Southern slaveholders?

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It is a good question.
 

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For the most part, I agree,
Still, we should not lose sight of the fact that many slaveholders believed slavery was God's will and that they had a responsibility as slaveholders to their slaves. That certainly did not make slavery any easier for the slave, who was still deprived of his/her liberty and free choice. Nor did it alleviate many of the worst characteristics of the practice.
We can see with great clarity that they were misguided, as could some then. But they had convinced themselves they were morally right and had God on their side.
And some of the worst acts are committed in the name of that very same God.
 
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It is possible it served as a safety net, but one would like to see how the population age cohorts looked in the slave population in Louisiana compared to Virginia, compared to a representative white population.
After reading Dubois, I have concerns that the slave population in the old Southwest was not self sustaining and was being supplemented by the domestic slave trade and illegal international slave trade.
 
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What's missing is a working class population in the 1860 period advocating either a return to slavery or a social safety network as good as slavery. What's missing is agitation asserting that slaves are cared for better than free workers, by some one other than the slave owners.
What is missing is some like Fanny Kimble asserting that slavery is good and the slaves are well cared for.
Only slave owners, their ministers, and racists in Hollywood asserted the mythology of the happy slave.
 

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I can't - it came from Quora, under the subject of maintenance of elderly slaves. A bit like this forum (I'm not a member of that forum) and it was in a discussion of something, somebody read but they don't always list their source.
Ok, thanks. I have a problem with the Douglass quote but according to jgg's rules I can't respond.
 

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https://books.google.com/books?id=1...=onepage&q=maintenance of sick slaves&f=false

I'm putting this here because it is very detailed maintenance of sick, elderly, abandoned or runaway slaves on the Island of Jamaica in 1819.

The South was very keen on the islands and by the 1850s were trying to open back up the slave trade with Africa. Just thought it was worth a look to see what the British were doing in the islands.
 

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Creepy Interview from 1996 by Republican state senator, Charles Davidson of Alabama.

First Place On-Air Editorial Award 1996, New York State

Associated Press



Gary Earl Ross

WBFO-FM Commentary

Time Required 2:30

First Broadcast: June 4, 1996



Pinkham Ross was my great-great grandfather, a slave who

became a South Carolina land owner. Thanks to a recent speech

written by Republican state senator Charles Davidson of Alabama,

I learned how misplaced my pride was in old Pinkham. I now know

that slavery was a kinder, gentler institution than history would

have us believe.

"Nowhere on Earth were servants better treated or better

loved than they were in the Old South by slave owners," Davidson

writes. If slavery is such a venerable heritage sanctioned by

God, as Davidson tells us, why not reinstitute it to address

modern social concerns?

Servitude could replace the three percent of the federal

budget that forms the so-called safety net. Instead of signing

up for assistance, the poor, unemployed, and otherwise dependent

would sell themselves into bondage. There'd be no need for

welfare, affirmative action, or a minimum wage. The proprietor

of the Burger Box would staff his franchise with his slaves, as

would other small business owners. Corporate profits would soar

and downsizing disappear if companies had no wages to pay. Crime

would vanish in the absence of a cash flow. Illegal aliens might

think twice about sneaking into a country that forced them into

labor without pay when they could actually make a dollar back

home.

Standardized testing in public schools could be used to

track appropriate students into servitude preparation programs.

Thus, anyone could be a slave. Descendants of slaves could own

descendants of slave masters. Nor would modern slaveholding be

the province of the gentry. Garages all over America could be

converted into space-heated cabins large enough to accommodate

six. Divorce would decline, since husbands would be less apt to

work late, except perhaps in the garage.

It's hard to imagine any profession that would fail to

benefit. Employment agencies could convert to Slaves R Us

auction barns. Talented slaves could be put to use in legal,

medical, and business offices. Of course, legislators would have

to draft a new Fugitive Slave Law and threaten Canada and Mexico

with sanctions for harboring our runaways. But mental health

practices would flourish as more doctors treated drapetomania, a

mental disorder first identified in the 19th Century and applied

exclusively to slaves crazy enough to seek freedom.

Sadly, Charles Davidson has given up his run for the U.S.

House of Representatives. Too bad. There is probably a place

for him in a Congress determined to restore America to the glory

it enjoyed before the liberals took over. A return to the Good

Old Days of the Antebellum South should make everybody happy.

Right, Pinkham? Right.
 



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