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Tullahoma campaign was late June into early July. By no meaning of the word is that "spring"... spring offensive was the Tullahoma Campaign
Tullahoma campaign was late June into early July. By no meaning of the word is that "spring"... spring offensive was the Tullahoma Campaign
This sounds like he was opposed to it -- "rather than undertake the plan of a march with the whole force through Georgia to the sea"I've only seen in the ORs where Thomas wrote to Sherman on 10/17/64 [OR 39:3:334] "Mower and Wilson have arrived and are on their way to join you. I hope you will adopt Grant's idea of turning Wilson loose rather than undertake the plan of a march with the whole force through Georgia to the sea, inasmuch as General Grant cannot co-operate with you as at first arranged."
Perhaps by the time he wrote his own memoirs he was influenced by reading Maury's recollections in which he wrote "Rosecrantz had been beaten."Not only did Grant retract his commendations for the victory at the Battle of Iuka and gave them to Hamilton instead, he actually turned the battle into a defeat in his Personal Memoirs: "While still moving in column up the Jacinto road [Rosecrans] met a force of the enemy and had his advance badly beaten and driven back upon the main road. In this short engagement his loss was considerable for the number engaged, and one battery was taken from him."
I was thinking by mid-May Rosecrans was still complaining about horses and forage, and the crops unripe. But digressing here we have inadvertently hijacked the thread. I would like a new thread if you are willing.Tullahoma campaign was late June into early July. By no meaning of the word is that "spring"
Agreed most strongly! Its insulting to their service for Bob Eisenberg to call them rejects.The 4th and 23rd Corps and AJ Smith's troops were high quality veteran organizations, hardly fit to be dismissed as rejects.
Hood's army was disastrously whipped but not destroyed.
Forrest and Chalmer's and Roddy were still roaming about below the Mississippi. Wilson and Thomas convinced Grant to use Wilson's idea to destroy the region that was still untouched, and succeeded.Agreed most strongly! Its insulting to their service for Bob Eisenberg to call them rejects.
Tullahoma campaign was late June into early July. By no meaning of the word is that "spring"
Vets yes, but the 23rd and the 4th were the weakest of Sherman's 6 under Thomas, Howard, and Schofield.The 4th and 23rd Corps and AJ Smith's troops were high quality veteran organizations, hardly fit to be dismissed as rejects.
Hood's army was disastrously whipped but not destroyed.
And yet those two effectively delivered the crippling blow to Hood at Franklin. With no help from Thomas.Vets yes, but the 23rd and the 4th were the weakest of Sherman's 6 under Thomas, Howard, and Schofield.
And had Grant been able to wrestle smith's troops from Rosecrans, Hood's campaign wouldn't have reach Franklin.And yet those two effectively delivered the crippling blow to Hood at Franklin. With no help from Thomas.
Any objective evaluation (see Castel's book "Decision in the West" shows Sherman's numerous mistakes----that is what they were at Resaca most notably. He would have destroyed Joe Johnston's army quickly if he had had resources and the chance during the Atlanta campaign. Thomas on the other hand built an army from rejects, and destroyed John Bell Hood's army at Nashville.
Well I think they didn’t promote him due to their distrust of him being from Virginia. I think it’s unfair but he did say on his death bed that history would do him good. He is now considered one of the three of the best the union had. We will probably never knowWhen Grant was made general-in-chief my President Lincoln in early 1864, he appointed Sherman to the overall command the the armies in the Western Theater. I have always thought this was a mistake and that Thomas should have been given the command. I think Grant's decision was based on his personal dislike of Thomas, his friendship with Sherman, and the overall favoritism shown to the Army of the Tennessee vis-à-vis that of the Army of the Cumberland.
Thoughts?
That's in reality what Sherman called them.Agreed most strongly! Its insulting to their service for Bob Eisenberg to call them rejects.