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Sherman's Army size for his march through Georgia.

Discussion in 'Civil War History - General Discussion' started by Rebforever, Oct 11, 2017 at 12:16 PM.

  1. Rebforever

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    Seems to me through all I have read, he had 60,000 plus on the march.
    I was looking through a book and found it was a Huge army. Take a look.

    https://books.google.com/books?id=8...=size of Schofields Army of Ohio 1864&f=false


    Schofield’s Army of the Ohio existed during
    the years 1863 to 1865, 13,565

    McPherson Army of Tennessee 24,500. Shermans old Army.

    Thomas Army of the Cumberland, 60,773
    total, 98 ,138
     

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  3. Republican Blues

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  4. Eric Calistri

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    60,ooo is about right for the Savannah campaign of Nov-Dec 1864. The reference in the OP, and the numbers are for May 1864, or roughly the beginning of the Atlanta campaign.
     
  5. Rebforever

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    No wonder Johnston backed up!
     
  6. Republican Blues

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    That, and he wanted to draw Sherman into a spot where he could take advantage of the terrain, and force an frontal assault. Sherman just flanked him, untill they hit Kennesaw Mountain, and then it was all in, and to disastrous results, and then Old Joe just melted away in the night, back to the Chattahoochee, and then into Atlanta itself.. Sherman was very familiar with North Georgia, and even commented that it was a natural fortress.
     
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    Neither of these guys were idiots... Old Joe's biggest issue was infighting in the AoT... especially from Hood. Joe knew what he was doing.... Hood was vainglorious and hungry. The AoT paid for his ambition
     
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    This post is also a good indication of why the Western Theater was a disaster for the Confederates... you had two Confederate Armies in the West, both at times named the Army of Mississippi... by the time of the Atlanta Campaign, the third iteration of the AoM had become the 3rd Corps of the Army of Tennessee... Nobody got along, everyone was backbiting and gossipy, and the only guy that could hold the mess together was Joe Johnson. Meanwhile, you have three separate Union Armies, all working different directions, until Chattanooga when they all unite under the Military Division of Mississippi, and Sherman brings his full force to bear in the Atlanta Campaign.. and then, once Atlanta falls and Uncle Billy decides to take a beach trip, Hood leaves Georgia completely exposed thinking he can draw Uncle Billy the other way, and thus only some 12,000(+/-) Ge0rgia Militia, Wheeler's Cavalry, and the small garrisons at Macon, Augusta, and Savannah are left to defend... and Sherman snookers em and feints to Macon and Augusta, and then heads on two separate routes to Savannah, dispatching, Thomas, Schofield and the Army of the Ohio off to Tennessee, where Schofield bleeds Hood bad at Franklin, and Thoms basically finishes him off at Nashville... Forget the Eastern Theater... the real War was out West.

    I would hate to play chess against Old Joe or Uncle Billy...
     
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  9. diane

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    That's why Sherman said Joe Johnston was the best general the South had. He was 'a sensible man who did sensible things'. The public did not understand that Johnston knew the value of the retrograde movement - which is not a retreat. They wanted loud victories. Davis didn't like Johnston anyway, so it was easy to cave to this pressure. Whether or not Lee actually said this, there really was more lion than fox in Hood. Grant and Lee crashed through Virginia but Sherman and Johnston waltzed together through Georgia - they were a great match.
     
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    What was Joe doing? because he couldn't explain it to his superiors
     
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    I didnt explain it before? He was using a strategic withdrawal to draw Sherman in to ground of his own choosing, which was pretty clear when he finally made it back to Kennesaw... What choice do you have other than to fall back, when once you think you have the advancing enemy where he will attack, and he flanks you.. you HAVE to fall back, redeploy so to speak, or now the enemy force that just flanked you out of your jockey shorts is going to be in your rear, not a place you want him to be. He (Johnson) was smart enough to know too that at Kennesaw, once Sherman had assaulted and been repulsed, that next would be a flanking manuever, and he had no choice but to fall back under cover of night...
     
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    Army of Cumberland's largest corps (IV) was detached prior to the March. Army of the Ohio (XXIII Corps) did not participate. Both these forces guarded Sherman's supply lines in Tennessee. Army of the Tennessee's XVI Corps also did not participate.

    Sherman's force consisted of four corps: XIV, XV, XVII, and XX.
     
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    Ok when does the strategic withdrawl stop? He's at Atlanta when he is relieved...does he just keep falling back? He was asked by Davis what his plan was, and he refused to say what it was, just that he had one.
     
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    You are correct... I had a brain fart when i mentioned 16th Corps... duly amended..
     
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    Atlanta would be the stop... Its pretty easy to see that the plan was to try and get Sherman to beat his brains out in an assault. And Johnson not telling Davis what his plan is is no suprise.... Sherman was rather mystic in regard to his plan as well.. IIRC someone once asked Sherman what his destination was before the Atlanta Campaign and Sherman mentioned something about Salt Water, and that was all.. keep in mind, leaks were common place, and both sides used the other sides newspapers as an intelligence source.....
     
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    The explanation that I believe is that General Johnston was effectively trading space for time until Sherman's command reached the Chattahoochee River. At that point Johnston temporarily lost track of Schofield's corp and Schofield conducted a near special ops manuever, including a literal naked attack, and got a fortified position south of the river.
    I don't think that any general on either side could anticipate Schofield's intrepid action.
     
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    Schofield said take the Bluff, and forgot the L... LOL
     
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    At the start of the Atlanta campaign of 1864, the largest estimates I have read for the two armies - 110,000 Union; 78,000 rebel. My opinion is that both numbers were actually slightly lower - 95,000 Sherman; 72,000 Johnston. That's me averaging out all the high and low estimates for both sides. Best guess.
     
  19. Rebforever

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    The book above says Johnston had 60,000.
     
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    Yeah. That's the low estimate. It is very nearly impossible to come up with precise numbers for CSA armies.
     
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    What ever the numbers are, one thing is self evident... Johnson had a real juggernaut bearing down on him and the math is easy... he really had little hope other than getting Sherman to bleed himself in frontal assaults...
     

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