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is a terrible thing...
Don’t feed the Mime
- Aug 17, 2011
- Birmingham, Alabama
"Our position is unquestionable. We stand in defense of free soil and resist aggressive slavery, and we demand enactments for the protection of free soil against this aggression. We will not disturb that institution, but we will stand in defense of the freedom of our soil as right in principle and beneficial to free white labor in all parts of our common country." -Hannibal HamlinIts actually a concession to you, the correct historical term is Free Labor.
what side trip did I take (?) I believe the South was fighting to preserve it's state-level control over slavery.. I stated in my post that the South was fighting for the freedom of Whites from their perception of Federal tyranny, they weren't waging a war for the freedom of Blacks.
You're caught up in trying to prove your point & curry agreement, you didn't bother to read what my response was. My point is, that attitude (of the CSA) is squarely & fairly, in the context of America's traditional worldview.. Manifest Destiny, wars w/Indians, the American Revolution, etc. White Americans, like every ethnic group on Earth, puts their self-interests above others.. so what (?) peace.
"Our position is unquestionable. We stand in defense of free soil and resist aggressive slavery, and we demand enactments for the protection of free soil against this aggression. We will not disturb that institution, but we will stand in defense of the freedom of our soil as right in principle and beneficial to free white labor in all parts of our common country." -Hannibal Hamlin
This guy? Really?
Still doesn't change the fact that slavery was the issue for the Upper South as well as the Lower South.
I know that there are those who like to think that there was a difference, but the reading of the secession conventions of the Upper South point right back to the issue of slavery, no matter how many stats and charts are used to fog up this inescapeable, historical truth.
Now, ready for the next quote, if you please.
Is it not a fact that the CSA took 4 million human beings away from the possibility of freedom and if so, does not the CSA claim of freedom ring false is a question to ask anyone that makes any claim of freedom by the secessionists.
Are you making a special claim of freedom by the secessionists? Why do you feel it is hypocritical? In the 1860 CSA it has no relevance. Slaves were tools and had not sense or claim of freedom. In the Slave South ideology slaves enabled the freedom of white men from course labor and enabled them to peruse the finer things.
So all you have to do is say 'no'; Slaves were the tool by which White men obtained freedom. It was all about the freedom to enjoy the economic and sociological benefits of slavery.
No one starts a war they figure on losing.
I'm not sure if you understand that I was agreeing with you from the beginning. I was merely pointing out that Southerners thought that they were right. As you and me both said, no one starts a war when they think they are wrong. I was agreeing with you; just presenting how Southerners would try to counter your argument.
Thanks for understanding. The video looks good at first glance; I'll watch in when I have time; to busy right now.I appreciate the clarification. My 1860s countrymen would likely exile or lynch me and not do much in the way of explanation.
The 2 volume Road to Secession covers the development of Southern Idology in depth.
A good lecture on the proslavery worldview.
Would like to see that and all such posted in the ACW University thread. I will find time a bit down the line to watch it, but tomorrow I will forget where to find it. I'm not saying not here, just that it should also be linked in that thread.
You're the one who is always trumpeting "facts." Except you ignore them when it they don't fit your ideas...
Vote for Convention Delegates
December 1860-February 1861
Please click on the link below which deals with the secession of Virginia.
Texas (76% for secession).............421,649.......182,566
Mississippi (58% for secession).....354,674.......436,631