1SGDan
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The North's provocations that caused the war can't be justified, so the Union's war is also unjustified. All acts during the war were equally unjustified.
This foolishness again?
The North's provocations that caused the war can't be justified, so the Union's war is also unjustified. All acts during the war were equally unjustified.
Yes all the provacations that peace loving South Carolina and the rest of the deep South endured...So have you found any that your state actually endured before it dragged this country into war? I can't wait to see what other excuses you can find...Maybe something happened in the slave state of Deleware or in the Pacific that you can use, you haven't used anything from there yet.The North's provocations that caused the war can't be justified, so the Union's war is also unjustified. All acts during the war were equally unjustified.
What provocations are you speaking of? From what I know, when the slave-owning states decided to secede, it was mostly over fear of Republicans coming to power and the abolitionist movement. This is South Carolina's declaration: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_scarsec.asp
Its the same never ending quest to try to portray South Carolina as the innocent peace loving victim that had to leave the evil Union to save itself so that she can continue her God given work to transform her happy slaves so that they can take their proper place in white society..This foolishness again?
"The North's provocations..."
"...what Lincoln and the North started..."
Really?
Unionblue
What provocations are you speaking of? From what I know, when the slave-owning states decided to secede, it was mostly over fear of Republicans coming to power and the abolitionist movement. This is South Carolina's declaration: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_scarsec.asp
You are kidding...right?
Kevin Dally
This foolishness again?
Yes all the provacations that peace loving South Carolina and the rest of the deep South endured...So have you found any that your state actually endured before it dragged this country into war? I can't wait to see what other excuses you can find...Maybe something happened in the slave state of Deleware or in the Pacific that you can use, you haven't used anything from there yet.
Its the same never ending quest to try to portray South Carolina as the innocent peace loving victim that had to leave the evil Union to save itself so that she can continue her God given work to transform her happy slaves so that they can take their proper place in white society..
Offenders often try to justify their actions, they create a false narrative and blame the victims.
If Sherman's march is to be justified, you must first justify the war, in order to justify the war, you must justify the violations and provocations that led up to it.
Like stealing Federal property and shooting at Federal troops? You can try to justify those but you will fail again.
South Carolina seceeding for legal cases involving other states is like this man looting for Freddie Gray..Just an excuse for criminal behavior...
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Since those acts were after SC's secession, they were justifiable actions against coercion.
So any evidence yet of things that South Carolina experienced herself that caused her to drag this nation into war? Not someting that occured to another state that wasn't even enough for them them to seceed, but things that happened to South Carolina directly... Heres your big chance to show all the evidence of what the evil Yankees did that caused South Carolina to seceed..Since those acts were after SC's secession, they were justifiable actions against coercion.
What happened? You used to present your arguments with logic and sources and reason. Now you seem to have fallen in with the tiny emotion-based crowd that obstinately believes the South could do no wrong.Since those acts were after SC's secession, they were justifiable actions against coercion.
What happened? You used to present your arguments with logic and sources and reason. Now you seem to have fallen in with the tiny emotion-based crowd that obstinately believes the South could do no wrong.
The actions were not justifiable; they were theft.
Just because it 'seems' so doesn't mean it's my intentions. Heck, I can't help that you defend evil doers.
South Carolina was at war the day they fired on the Star of the West. Using logic, a state that declared it's independence from the Union can't very well maintain it with the enemy occupying its major port. With patience they waited for Anderson's departure, instead he moved to a new position that commanded the harbor. In response they took control of their harbor and made Anderson leave.
So any evidence yet of things that South Carolina experienced herself that caused her to drag this nation into war? Not someting that occured to another state that wasn't even enough for them them to seceed, but things that happened to South Carolina directly... Heres your big chance to show all the evidence of what the evil Yankees did that caused South Carolina to seceed..
And how did that work out for them in April, 1865?
They lost but their cause was just. Might doesn't make right.
So no evidence then, just things that the states directly involved in didn't even deem cause enough to seceed... Thats what I thought...All this bluster about poor South Carolina being victimized by the evil tyranical North and you can't point to anything that can be used as evidence ...Maybe its more likely that the state with the lowest number of fugative slaves was just trying to find an excuse for something its been planning on doing for decades..But, don't worry Im sure you will find a way to shift the blame onto the Puritians or people going against the Bible or something else that happened 50 years before the war, anywere but where it belongs...I'll tell you what, I'll use your logic against you, maybe then you'll see your nonsense.
Since SC only fired purposely on the Star of the West and Fort Sumter, then only those people actually fired on had justification for going to war with SC.
Now you can move your portable goalposts.