San Francisco Protesters Tear Down Union General Ulysses S. Grant's Statue

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I don't think it was ever about "Confederate monuments are racist and must go!!!!" with these people so much as it is "America is racist and must go!!!!!"

They ain't traitors, they ain't moral crusaders, they're communist wannabe revolutionaries who are the end result of a broken family system, and broken and politicized education system. Even here in Texas when I was in high school (graduated in 2009), they were teaching socialism and communism good, America bad, and it only got worse after I left. This is the end result.

I used to get in a LOT trouble for debating my high school history teacher when I'd tell her she was wrong and George Washington didn't start concentration camps for Indians and slaves. I'd get sent to the principle's office, an older lady who knew and sympathized with me but couldn't do anything about it, and she'd send me to the local Dairy Queen to get her, (and myself) lunch as a punishment.

This is the end result of that, I don't think anything can be done to solve for now. All we can do is fight to have the education system reformed and de-politicized and hope the next generations come out better.
 

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Heck last I heard a few years ago, that crazy left wing history teacher I had in high school was the principle now, the little old lady I had as a HS principle being forced into retirement.

The one I had, her husband owns a restaurant chain locally and she'd encourage kids to get a job and have them hired on at one of them with a very good wage for high school kids, with her going and teaching kids how to manage money. Me I worked at different restaurant and all the kids that worked at her's got taught right on what to do with kids begging for lunch money. Me being the sympathetic sort I always loaned lunch money to kids at school never getting paid back, I never minded though as I didn't want to see anybody do without, though I don't think I ever got paid back at all.

I was very wrong to do that, and I know that now, the principle told me I was as any one of them could have a job if they just asked, I understand that wisdom now. Those people I always looked out for and helped were the ones that subscribed to "Everything must be free!!!" and I wonder if I let them starve maybe they're be a few less commies running around.

This is the end result of such things...
 
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If you have any ancestors buried in Civil War cemeteries (north or south) you might want to visit their grave and take pictures for posterity. These morons who are tearing down monuments and desecrateing graves don't know what they want or who to blame. Their initial complaint about anything Confederate seems to have devolved into anything to do with the Civil war.
 

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Well they just helped vote the big man in again for another term so sort of counter productive really from their point of view.

They are just spoilt brats with a Facebook page and a nice house in suburbia where mummy and daddy pay for all their needs.

Anyone recognized as committing damage to property should be sacked from their job and arrested.
 

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If you have any ancestors buried in Civil War cemeteries (north or south) you might want to visit their grave and take pictures for posterity. These morons who are tearing down monuments and desecrateing graves don't know what they want or who to blame. Their initial complaint about anything Confederate seems to have devolved into anything to do with the Civil war.

Great advice the way things are going, I need to go take photos of an uncle who was in the 34th Alabama Infantry. Keeping a record exactly where they are might be wise as well.

I know I've taken pictures of a humble monument dedicated to my Confederate GG-Grandfather.

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I'm now generally not posting to anything but 'neutral' threads but I just feel compelled to say that I am more than angry with the type of people who are doing this sort of thing and can't understand why the authorities in many places won't take action. "Oh, we're afraid of escalating the violence" - really ? To the extent that you just allow violence and destruction of property with no response at all ? We are just allowing anarchy in the streets. Peaceful protests need to be protected but criminal activity and destruction of property is a large step over the line.

That's all I'm going to say as I seem prone to censorship but sometimes you just have to step up and be counted. Silence does, often, imply consent.
 
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What an absolute disgrace. Mindless destruction of everything that has meant something to our civilization and culture.

They have no idea of history except as it pertains to their narrative. And the poisoning of young minds began long ago.

The nuances of the Civil War are many and varied, but they lack the will (and even the common sense) to see that.

America, I have embraced you and your history. My heart is broken to see it being so mindlessly destroyed.

I'm sure Ulysses S. Grant would be heartbroken, too.

The loss that was counted to make America what it is ... no longer counts for anything it seems.

That's all I'm going to say as I seem prone to censorship but sometimes you just have to step up and be counted. Silence does, often, imply consent.

"First they came for ... and I didn't say anything because I wasn't ..."
 

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Great advice the way things are going, I need to go take photos of an uncle who was in the 34th Alabama Infantry. Keeping a record exactly where they are might be wise as well.

I know I've taken pictures of a humble monument dedicated to my Confederate GG-Grandfather.

My Great Grandfather's youngest brother died in the Union prison at Camp Chase, Columbus, Ohio - he is buried in the cemetery there.
John G. Deatherage, Private, 8th Virginia Cavalry, Grave #855, died January 23, 1865 :
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[Photo taken 07/28/2006]

On August 22, 2017 somebody climbed the wall that surrounds the cemetery, climbed to the top of the memorial arch and pushed the soldier statue off its pedestal. The head of the statue broke off and they stole it. This is pure desecration. I hope the perpetrator(s) are haunted for the rest of their lives.
 

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My Great Grandfather's youngest brother died in the Union prison at Camp Chase, Columbus, Ohio - he is buried in the cemetery there.
John G. Deatherage, Private, 8th Virginia Cavalry, Grave #855, died January 23, 1865 :
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[Photo taken 07/28/2006]

On August 22, 2017 somebody climbed the wall that surrounds the cemetery, climbed to the top of the memorial arch and pushed the soldier statue off its pedestal. The head of the statue broke off and they stole it. This is pure desecration. I hope the perpetrator(s) are haunted for the rest of their lives.

That's exactly where my uncle ended up.

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I found Arthur C. Pepper in the Camp Chase prison enrollment register - see the attached, "Arthur_Pepper_CampChase.jpg", line 691.

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I need to take pictures of his grave. As I recall through some clerical error he's listed at Camp Douglas.

I was looking into getting a veteran foot marker for him as his grave of off in an empty part of the cemetery, (unlike his nephew and my GG-Grandfather John Pepper), trying to find any of his direct descendants to see if they would want to help out, (or even know of him), but all this craziness going on has me convinced to leave him unrecognized as a Confederate soldier.
 

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I've sort of strayed from the main point of the original post; if you read the Newsweek article pointed to in the original post, it says "The statues of St. Junipero Serra, the first saint of the Roman Catholic Church to be canonized in the U.S., and Francis Scott Key, the author of the lyrics to 'The Star-Spangled Banner,' were also torn down at the park on the same day."

I'm not very religious but I'm wondering how does a saint of the Catholic church get tangled up in all this?
 

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I'm maybe not understanding this whole issue. If racial equality is the burning ember, then the caucasians should be respected too regardless of politics. There must be something I am not seeing.

I don't think racial equality has thing to do with this mess, after all we've had equality for what 50 or 60 years? Then we look at a lot of demands and on top of reparations they demand segregation to be returned, in a way where blacks are superior and so on. It strike me like they want Jim Crow only in reverse, which is not equality.

The more I look at the more I'm convinced that race has little to nothing to do with all of this and its in reality just an excuse and rallying cry Edited.
 
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I don't think racial equality has thing to do with this mess, after all we've had equality for what 50 or 60 years? Then we look at a lot of demands and on top of reparations they demand segregation to be returned, in a way where blacks are superior and so on. It strike me like they want Jim Crow only in reverse, which is not equality.

The more I look at the more I'm convinced that race has little to nothing to do with all of this and its in reality just an excuse and rallying cry Edited.
Yes, but while race may be an excuse or a cause...do we still ignore and abolish history??? Where is the equality???
 
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