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Revolver from my South Carolina ancestor

Discussion in 'Civil War Weapons and Ammunition' started by TommyNole, Jan 9, 2017.

  1. TommyNole

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    I have a revolver that's been passed down my paternal line. I understand it was likely owned by my great great grandfather John Allen Neese (~1844 - ?) from the Lexington, SC area. Or perhaps his father Allen Neese (1811-1881) before him. I probably have no way of validating its Civil War connection 100% but would love to get an expert's assessment on the make & model of this sidearm.
     

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  3. Copperhead-mi

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    The revolver appears to be a Model 1858 Remington Army.
     
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  4. TommyNole

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    Thanks so much. That was also the closest make & model that I was able to guess (some subtle differences compared to the photos I found online...so wasn't sure). But I'm no expert. I suppose this adds weight to it being my ancestor's sidearm in the CW. I'll be trying to learn more about him (my great great grandfather up my paternal line).
     
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    IMHO, the frame appears to be a Beals Navy, note there is no "notch" in the front of the frame for the cylinder pin. Although I think the loading lever may be either a replacement or it has been reworked.
    J.
     
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    I zeroed in on the lower profile hammer and the non-web type loading lever and completely missed not having the notch. I stand corrected
     
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    Welcome, enjoy
     
  8. TommyNole

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    Thanks for the input folks. I'm just glad to hear that it's likely a Civil War era piece and fits the story of it belonging to my CW veteran great great grandpa. I would assume any rework that was done to the loading lever probably occurred back during that period too. My ancestor would have been a relatively poor SC kid in his late teens during the CW...so I'm sure he wouldn't have been issued a top of the line sidearm.
     
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    Without opening a can o' worms, your Confederate ancestor wouldn't have been issued a Remington sidearm at all, as a matter of fact. Not by the CS government. Certainly not a Remington, which were manufactured in Ilion, NY. Pre-war purchase, perhaps?
     
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    Good question and no idea unfortunately. You make a valid point. I probably made a wrong assumption. He was from a big family and it could have belonged to his father, etc.

    I'm a complete noobie!
     
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    If you could post some more photos especially of the other side and the top of the barrel should have makers marks, Just from the one photo I going with a Beals which means it should be marked.
     
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    Will do as soon as I have it in my hands again. I'm officially inheriting it in a couple months. Thanks for offering to put your expert eyes (all of you) on it. I can also get some measurements if that helps.
     
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    Maybe got it through smugglers, or took it off a Federal prisoner? or a dead one? I suppose it could have been a personally owned piece bought before the war. If only it could talk :smile:
     
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    Good catch - almost as if a Colt Navy loading lever had been retrofitted.
     
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    Can you confirm .36 or .44 caliber?

    Plot twist -

    http://ww2.rediscov.com/spring/VFPCGI.exe?IDCFile=/spring/DETAILS.IDC,SPECIFIC=9883,DATABASE=objects,

    Caveat - Privates (like John Neese) in Infantry Regiments generally weren't issued revolvers.
    Lots of weapons failed to make it into the piles required during the mass surrenders. A prudent individual would exercise 'midnight quarter-mastering' before walking home. Jus' sayin'.
     
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    There is a chapter in The Unfinished Fight Volume 2 on CS use of the Remington revolver. And there is a pretty famous image of Confederate bushwhacker George Maddox with a brace of Remington revolvers. It's just not the norm...as stated above, especially with the rank and file infantrymen.
     
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    Plot twist 2.0 - It may have been a captured weapon. As John S. Mosby stated, his men were well-supplied with Colt Revolvers, all of which the U. S. government paid for (asserting that they were all captured or stolen).

    Every gun has a story....
     
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    Could be, but we need more info from the OP to lock down the starting point (like, was it an 1860 South Carolina state purchase or not).
     
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    The first thing is to determine just what weapon it is, markings, caliber etc. It was not issued to a CS private. It very well could have been a battlefield issued item. I hear so many time stories that were passed down over time they do get embellished.
     
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    I have no reason to believe it was issued to my ancestor and don't know how it came into his possession. All I know is it was handed down my paternal line from SC to me. My CW era ancestor up that line was John Neese (1847-1919) who may have been a CW veteran. His father was Allen Neese (1811-1881). I need to learn more about the CW link or lack of one. I see a John Neese from SC who served in the CW (from the NPS.gov site). How do I find out if that's my ancestor?

    I'll get more photos and measurements in 2 months when I officially inherit it. Thanks so much for everyone's help!

    - Tom (a noobie here certain of my Michigan CW ancestry...trying to learn more about my South Carolina CW side and the gun handed down to me).
     

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    Build a family tree (or work on one that's already begun), starting with your parents/grandparents.
    Great grandparents, you generally have to start hitting birth records.

    PS - there are a couple of fellows named John Neese who served, including this guy
    http://findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi/http=://www,findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=55918524
     
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