Restricted Removing Confederate Monuments would edit history

cash

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hurrah hurrah for southern rights hurrah horray for the bonnie blue flag that bears a single star! Find something offensive about that flag and the many verses of that beautiful song.

We are a band of brothers
And native to the soil,
Fighting for the property
We gained by honest toil;
And when our rights were threatened,
The cry rose near and far--
"Hurrah for the Bonnie Blue Flag
That bears a single star!"


I wonder what that "property" they were fighting for was.

"Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery."
 

James B White

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We are a band of brothers
And native to the soil,
Fighting for the property
We gained by honest toil;
And when our rights were threatened,
The cry rose near and far--
"Hurrah for the Bonnie Blue Flag
That bears a single star!"


I wonder what that "property" they were fighting for was.

"Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery."
But it was sanitized to cause no offence:
"Fighting for our liberty with treasure blood and toil"
States rights, y'know.
 

unionblue

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hurrah hurrah for southern rights hurrah horray for the bonnie blue flag that bears a single star! Find something offensive about that flag and the many verses of that beautiful song.

The Southern right to keep human beings as slaves?

Give anyone anything and they will find something to be offended at.

Sincerely,
Unionblue
 

goberg4

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want to talk about offensive, the gbma in the 1880-90s forced one of the few and the first csa monument at gettysburg on culps hill to be redesignated as the 2nd csa maryland when they were known as steuarts 1st md. There were already two md 1st tegiments the potomac home and md eastern shore. The csa sufferering was way more in the form of casualties but had to take a back seat...
 

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The Southern right to keep human beings as slaves?

Give anyone anything and they will find something to be offended at.

Sincerely,
Unionblue
Slave markets in the North? Naw.... Its okay because we just sold those people for profit. The South are the bad guys, -5% of them owned those slaves.. Lincoln was on our team. He freed the slaves when he didn't have any other route to take. Remember?:rolleyes:
 

goberg4

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The Southern right to keep human beings as slaves?

Give anyone anything and they will find something to be offended at.

Sincerely,
Unionblue
No the southern states right to govern and live how they want. Remember the Bible discusses and recognizes human slavery and how the two should treat each other. Man invented slavery just like demicracy and socialism. At the time it was a way of life. India has the caste system. The war on both sides began due to state versus federal rule. Slavery was the binding issue of the problem but the union did not seek to abolish slavery till the second year of war.
 

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but you cannot take down any statues of stonewall or marse robert that would be blasphemy. The 142nd pa at gettysburg has a cross monument do we take that down to please the jewish and muslim visitors?
 

M.Warren

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"Southern rights" is a euphemism for slavery.

The chorus:

Hurrah hurrah for Slavery hurrah ...
I didn't think it was even hidden. Haven't seen anyone here deny it myself. I've seen plenty of our good Northern brothers try like the dickens though. Then one of them will turn around 2-3 days later slip and make a post showing that they did in fact not only own slaves, but had a number of slave markets for the sole purpose of selling them to the people they're ridiculing now.
 

unionblue

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Slave markets in the North? Naw.... Its okay because we just sold those people for profit. The South are the bad guys, -5% of them owned those slaves.. Lincoln was on our team. He freed the slaves when he didn't have any other route to take. Remember?:rolleyes:

No the southern states right to govern and live how they want. Remember the Bible discusses and recognizes human slavery and how the two should treat each other. Man invented slavery just like demicracy and socialism. At the time it was a way of life. India has the caste system. The war on both sides began due to state versus federal rule. Slavery was the binding issue of the problem but the union did not seek to abolish slavery till the second year of war.

No amount of excuse is going to erase from history the historical fact that the South secede over the 'right' to keep, protect, and expand the institution of slavery at the expense of 'states rights.'

Finding excuses in that the 'North did it too' or that selected passages in the Bible seem to condone slavery doesn't cut it.

The paper trail left by the Confederacy and its leaders cannot be hidden, denied, or excused.

The chickens have come home to roost.

Unionblue
 

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I didn't think it was even hidden. Haven't seen anyone here deny it myself. I've seen plenty of our good Northern brothers try like the dickens though. Then one of them will turn around 2-3 days later slip and make a post showing that they did in fact not only own slaves, but had a number of slave markets for the sole purpose of selling them to the people they're ridiculing now.
Are you saying that people here have denied there were ever slaves in the north? Could you post a link to some examples?
 

cash

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No the southern states right to govern and live how they want.

In what way was their right to govern how they want threatened?

In what way was their right to live how they want threatened?

Remember the Bible discusses and recognizes human slavery and how the two should treat each other.

So what?

Man invented slavery just like demicracy and socialism. At the time it was a way of life. India has the caste system.

So what?

The war on both sides began due to state versus federal rule.

The secessionists disagree with you.


Slavery was the binding issue of the problem but the union did not seek to abolish slavery till the second year of war.

Two sides in the war. Is it possible that the two sides were fighting for different reasons?
 

M.Warren

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No amount of excuse is going to erase from history the historical fact that the South secede over the 'right' to keep, protect, and expand the institution of slavery at the expense of 'states rights.'

Finding excuses in that the 'North did it too' or that selected passages in the Bible seem to condone slavery doesn't cut it.

The paper trail left by the Confederacy and its leaders cannot be hidden, denied, or excused.

The chickens have come home to roost.

Unionblue
I'm not making excuses. I accept it. I'm saying what gives you the right to point your finger at one while you're guilty of the same thing. The only difference was you started getting rid of it a few years earlier but it was still there long after that point. Yes the South seceded over slavery. Acts were written by politicians and planters, who happened to be the same people that owned the slaves. Those soldiers that didn't are guilty of the same by fighting for the causes of their government. There I admitted all of it. You try now. I just want to see you write it down. You've been very vocal about this situation. Want people to listen, and some respect? Lets hear it, sir.
 

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Are you saying that people here have denied there were ever slaves in the north? Could you post a link to some examples?
In this thread or the others like it, you wont find one example of it. Other threads yes. That was my point. They just haven't done it since we started playing the blame it all on the South and take everything from them game.
 

M.Warren

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Did I say that? I said you wont find where anyone admitted it in this thread or the other two like it. Don't put words in my mouth, Cash. You quoted the post. Other places on this forum before this started it was common practice that they admitted it. Since it became all about demonizing the South, I haven't seen one. If I missed it I'll be glad to admit I did.
 

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I'm not making excuses. I accept it. I'm saying what gives you the right to point your finger at one while you're guilty of the same thing. The only difference was you started getting rid of it a few years earlier but it was still there long after that point. Yes the South seceded over slavery. Acts were written by politicians and planters, who happened to be the same people that owned the slaves. Those soldiers that didn't are guilty of the same by fighting for the causes of their government. There I admitted all of it. You try now. I just want to see you write it down. You've been very vocal about this situation. Want people to listen, and some respect? Lets hear it, sir.

M. Warren,

I am not guilty of anything except for my reading and understanding of history and neither are you. I acknowledge my ancestors who owned slaves and fought in a rebellion to keep them. I do not feel guilt about them.

As for the difference between the North and the South, again, I merely acknowledge history. The South seceded over the issue of slavery, period. The North did not. The North fought to maintain the Union. The North at one time kept slaves, but had mainly rid itself of the institution by the time of secession.

Was there racism in the North? Of course there was. Were blacks accepted with open arms in the North? Hardly.

Now, if you want to see more of my views on this topic over the years I have been on this forum, I suggest you click on my login ID and check on the threads and topics and see if I have been consistent on the above views over the years.

You've heard it, but can you hear more?

I'll let my record of posts here speak for themselves and I will stand by all of them.

Sincerely,
Unionblue
 
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M.Warren

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M. Warren,

I am not guilty of anything except fro my reading and understanding of history and neither are you. I acknowledge my ancestors who owned slaves and fought in a rebellion to keep them. I do not feel guilt about them.

As for the difference between the North and the South, again, I merely acknowledge history. The South seceded over the issue of slavery, period. The North did not. The North fought to maintain the Union. The North at one time kept slaves, but had mainly rid itself of the institution by the time of secession.

Was their racism in the North? Of course there was. Were blacks accepted with open arms in the North? Hardly.

Now, if you want to see more of my views on this topic over the years I have been on this forum, I suggest you click on my login ID and check on the threads and topics and see if I have been consistent on the above views over the years.

You've heard it, but can you hear more?

I'll let my record of posts here speak for themselves and I will stand by all of them

Sincerely,
Unionblue
I said you'd said it before this got started. You've done nothing since but distance yourself from it, and when confronted use the slight of hand, "blaming others doesn't make you innocent" card. The same thing I just quoted you doing. Thank you for admitting it wasn't just the South, it was "mainly" gone by the ACW, and that the war was for Union to begin with. If you'd like to share more you're welcome to, UB. Otherwise you did all I asked. I ask no more of you, but to remember that when the South is being dragged through the gravel over something that happened 150 years ago. This has gone way too far. Its not the answer, and everyone knows its not.
 
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