Vicksburger
First Sergeant
- Joined
- Dec 16, 2011
- Location
- Saint Joseph
Bumping this thread, in honor of the men who fell May 22, 1863.
Deo Vindice
Deo Vindice
Well I just saw this post, and its quite interesting. Thanks again to 1MS-Arty for doing it. I know that Company K of the 2nd texas was to the left of the lunette ( on the other side of the Baldwin's Ferry Road) I have often wondered if there was any trench that could be seen.overlay of a portion of 1902 VNMP blueprint map onto modern satellite google image.
2nd Texas Lunette
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Maybe we could work on labeling the regiment and Co. locations (if known) on this map? I would like to take a look at this further.Well I just saw this post, and its quite interesting. Thanks again to 1MS-Arty for doing it. I know that Company K of the 2nd texas was to the left of the lunette ( on the other side of the Baldwin's Ferry Road) I have often wondered if there was any trench that could be seen.
Here is Ed Bearss's map if you can use it in your overlay.overlay of a portion of 1902 VNMP blueprint map onto modern satellite google image.
2nd Texas Lunette
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I'll see if I can make a higher resolution versionGreat thank you for doing that! I wonder where their information came from as again I had never seen an indication of an artillery piece within the 42nd Alabama lines.
I also always thought the street cut through a good portion of the 42nd line but based on the above it appears their lines still mostly exist within the wooded area between the RR and Clay St.
Would it possible to PM me a high resolution copy of these so I can zoom in?
Texans are darn good fighters!We are coming up on the anniversary of Grant's massive assault against the Vicksburg fortifications, all of which were a smashing defeat and bloodbath. Grant never could defeat Pemberton when he was defending behind prepared fortifications. Pemberton planned to advance and cut Grant's supply line, while Johnston attacked from the direction of Jackson. But Johnston peremptorily ordered Pemberton to come out from his prepared works near Edwards Station and link up with him north of Edwards, which is when Grant struck Pemberton's army as it tried to move north, near Champion Hill. Thus the retreat back to the Vicksburg fortifications, and the stage set for May 19 and 22 assaults, both bloody failures for Grant. My gggreat uncles fought at the 2nd Texas Lunette, one was killed May 22, the other endured the 47 day siege, unsurpassed for heroism and devotion to duty. Neither lived to marry, have a family, and so on, so I honor their sacrifice this way.
I like the quote from Thomason, on the Texas monument: (if I can remember it correctly)
"For these men believed in something. They considered life a light thing to lay down in the faith they bore. They were terrible in battle. They were generous in victory. They rose up from defeat to fight again, and while they lived, they were formidable."
3199 casualties on that one day (Federal), Confederate casualties do not exceed 500.
Fascinating, i've been looking in the wrong place. I need to look further west for company K's trenches/ curtain wall. Thanks so much for doing!here is a quick version that shows the Bearass map imposed on a satellite phoro. The Bearass map doesn't exactly match the park blueprint..
I'm going to have to expand the background base layer satellite picture to get the whole map on it....
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Is any of the 42nd Alabama Line visible ( i.e. a faint depression or something indicating where the ditch was?) I mean visible today?Great thank you for doing that! I wonder where their information came from as again I had never seen an indication of an artillery piece within the 42nd Alabama lines.
I also always thought the street cut through a good portion of the 42nd line but based on the above it appears their lines still mostly exist within the wooded area between the RR and Clay St.
Would it possible to PM me a high resolution copy of these so I can zoom in?
Yes, it actually spans over part of the road and back into the woods toward the rail road. There are markers along the street that runs south towards the R.R. As to any sign of the ditches or anything resembling earthworks I honestly dont know as it has been years since I was there and at the time did not know this area even existed. I plan to visit this year finally and see.Is any of the 42nd Alabama Line visible ( i.e. a faint depression or something indicating where the ditch was?) I mean visible today?
If you find any faint depressions of the ditch left you will have to take a picture and post it. I am told that when the Yankees filled in the Confederate ditches, after the surrender, (because they fortified a "shorter" line closer to the town), that the wind and other weather sometimes blew the dirt away over time resulting in the faint line being visible. I have always wanted to try and find these evidences. You can see in Civil War album where the photos show a faint line where General Boomer made his line getting ready to attack.Yes, it actually spans over part of the road and back into the woods toward the rail road. There are markers along the street that runs south towards the R.R. As to any sign of the ditches or anything resembling earthworks I honestly dont know as it has been years since I was there and at the time did not know this area even existed. I plan to visit this year finally and see.
This is heading back towards an area of small houses, that I beleive are all in the area that the Battle Field Trust recently purchased. It would be nice to se some of this area restored.