Remember May 22, 1863

Vicksburger

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Bumping this thread, in honor of the men who fell May 22, 1863.
Deo Vindice

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Vicksburger

First Sergeant
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Saint Joseph
overlay of a portion of 1902 VNMP blueprint map onto modern satellite google image.

2nd Texas Lunette

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Well I just saw this post, and its quite interesting. Thanks again to 1MS-Arty for doing it. I know that Company K of the 2nd texas was to the left of the lunette ( on the other side of the Baldwin's Ferry Road) I have often wondered if there was any trench that could be seen.
 

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Southern Louisiana
Well I just saw this post, and its quite interesting. Thanks again to 1MS-Arty for doing it. I know that Company K of the 2nd texas was to the left of the lunette ( on the other side of the Baldwin's Ferry Road) I have often wondered if there was any trench that could be seen.
Maybe we could work on labeling the regiment and Co. locations (if known) on this map? I would like to take a look at this further.
 

Vicksburger

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I have been wanting to explore the ground (woods?) where the four left companies were located. My ancestors were where company k was. I think there should be a red line marker, but have never looked in depth.
 

1stMS-Arty

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here is a quick version that shows the Bearass map imposed on a satellite phoro. The Bearass map doesn't exactly match the park blueprint..

I'm going to have to expand the background base layer satellite picture to get the whole map on it....
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Have yall seen the newest maps released by the Battlefield Trust for the property they are purchasing behind the RR (great news by the way)?

It is very interesting to me as it has the 42nd Alabama pushed further to the south and indicates a cannon within their line that does not show up on the Bearss Map. I wonder what their map is based on as it differs from the Bearss Map and the Park Blueprint.

Are we allowed to upload images of their maps on here?
 

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Great thank you for doing that! I wonder where their information came from as again I had never seen an indication of an artillery piece within the 42nd Alabama lines.

I also always thought the street cut through a good portion of the 42nd line but based on the above it appears their lines still mostly exist within the wooded area between the RR and Clay St.

Would it possible to PM me a high resolution copy of these so I can zoom in?
 

1stMS-Arty

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Great thank you for doing that! I wonder where their information came from as again I had never seen an indication of an artillery piece within the 42nd Alabama lines.

I also always thought the street cut through a good portion of the 42nd line but based on the above it appears their lines still mostly exist within the wooded area between the RR and Clay St.

Would it possible to PM me a high resolution copy of these so I can zoom in?
I'll see if I can make a higher resolution version
 

Tom Hughes

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Mississippi
We are coming up on the anniversary of Grant's massive assault against the Vicksburg fortifications, all of which were a smashing defeat and bloodbath. Grant never could defeat Pemberton when he was defending behind prepared fortifications. Pemberton planned to advance and cut Grant's supply line, while Johnston attacked from the direction of Jackson. But Johnston peremptorily ordered Pemberton to come out from his prepared works near Edwards Station and link up with him north of Edwards, which is when Grant struck Pemberton's army as it tried to move north, near Champion Hill. Thus the retreat back to the Vicksburg fortifications, and the stage set for May 19 and 22 assaults, both bloody failures for Grant. My gggreat uncles fought at the 2nd Texas Lunette, one was killed May 22, the other endured the 47 day siege, unsurpassed for heroism and devotion to duty. Neither lived to marry, have a family, and so on, so I honor their sacrifice this way.
I like the quote from Thomason, on the Texas monument: (if I can remember it correctly)

"For these men believed in something. They considered life a light thing to lay down in the faith they bore. They were terrible in battle. They were generous in victory. They rose up from defeat to fight again, and while they lived, they were formidable."

3199 casualties on that one day (Federal), Confederate casualties do not exceed 500.
Texans are darn good fighters!
 

Vicksburger

First Sergeant
Joined
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Location
Saint Joseph
here is a quick version that shows the Bearass map imposed on a satellite phoro. The Bearass map doesn't exactly match the park blueprint..

I'm going to have to expand the background base layer satellite picture to get the whole map on it....
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Fascinating, i've been looking in the wrong place. I need to look further west for company K's trenches/ curtain wall. Thanks so much for doing!
 

Vicksburger

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Saint Joseph
Great thank you for doing that! I wonder where their information came from as again I had never seen an indication of an artillery piece within the 42nd Alabama lines.

I also always thought the street cut through a good portion of the 42nd line but based on the above it appears their lines still mostly exist within the wooded area between the RR and Clay St.

Would it possible to PM me a high resolution copy of these so I can zoom in?
Is any of the 42nd Alabama Line visible ( i.e. a faint depression or something indicating where the ditch was?) I mean visible today?
 

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Is any of the 42nd Alabama Line visible ( i.e. a faint depression or something indicating where the ditch was?) I mean visible today?
Yes, it actually spans over part of the road and back into the woods toward the rail road. There are markers along the street that runs south towards the R.R. As to any sign of the ditches or anything resembling earthworks I honestly dont know as it has been years since I was there and at the time did not know this area even existed. I plan to visit this year finally and see.

This is heading back towards an area of small houses, that I beleive are all in the area that the Battle Field Trust recently purchased. It would be nice to se some of this area restored.
 

Vicksburger

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Yes, it actually spans over part of the road and back into the woods toward the rail road. There are markers along the street that runs south towards the R.R. As to any sign of the ditches or anything resembling earthworks I honestly dont know as it has been years since I was there and at the time did not know this area even existed. I plan to visit this year finally and see.

This is heading back towards an area of small houses, that I beleive are all in the area that the Battle Field Trust recently purchased. It would be nice to se some of this area restored.
If you find any faint depressions of the ditch left you will have to take a picture and post it. I am told that when the Yankees filled in the Confederate ditches, after the surrender, (because they fortified a "shorter" line closer to the town), that the wind and other weather sometimes blew the dirt away over time resulting in the faint line being visible. I have always wanted to try and find these evidences. You can see in Civil War album where the photos show a faint line where General Boomer made his line getting ready to attack.
 
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