Reconstruction, how bad was it really?

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The Republicans took it all away with a Supreme Court decision in 1883. Declared that the 1875 Civil Rights Law was unconstitutional.

During this time period Western Native Americans were murdered at will by the Federal Government.

1883 Chinese Exclusion Act. Banned an entire Race from Immigration. Few exceptions.

1870 the Federal Government confirmed White in our Immigration Laws.

Can’t blame it all on the South.
The Supreme Court never ruled that states were compelled to discriminate against African Americans. The Southern states could of vigorously declared that all state citizens were vigorously protected under the law.
As far as the Indian's and Chinese are concerned what Southern politicians objected to US government policy towards them?
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One of my favorite reconstruction stories.
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This story is an excellent litmus test. Based on the actions described is Betts a hero or a villain?

Was Betts defending his freedom of expression and taking a stand against oppression?

Was Betts a traitor looking for a fight who murdered an American soldier without justification?
 

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From the standpoint of African Americans it was a complete disaster. Just look at the history of the modern Civil Rights movement which would of been unnecessary if Reconstruction was properly carried out.
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Does Foner, Stampp or, perhaps more pertinent to your post, can you explain what policies the dominant Republican Party could or should have employed during Radical Reconstruction to bring about such a happy outcome?
 

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The Republicans took it all away with a Supreme Court decision in 1883. Declared that the 1875 Civil Rights Law was unconstitutional.

During this time period Western Native Americans were murdered at will by the Federal Government.

1883 Chinese Exclusion Act. Banned an entire Race from Immigration. Few exceptions.

1870 the Federal Government confirmed White in our Immigration Laws.

Can’t blame it all on the South.
The Republicans took it all away with a Supreme Court decision in 1883. Declared that the 1875 Civil Rights Law was unconstitutional.

During this time period Western Native Americans were murdered at will by the Federal Government.

1883 Chinese Exclusion Act. Banned an entire Race from Immigration. Few exceptions.

1870 the Federal Government confirmed White in our Immigration Laws.

Can’t blame it all on the South.
What an example the Yankee dominated government set for the South during these years of self-righteous “manifest destiny,” what examples of so-called “American exceptionalism.” :O o:
 

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Does Foner, Stampp or, perhaps more pertinent to your post, can you explain what policies the dominant Republican Party could or should have employed during Radical Reconstruction to bring about such a happy outcome?
An aggressive law enforcement effort to stamp out the racist white paramilitaries similar to Counter Tel Pro one hundred years later.
Or using the successful efforts of Major Upton Emory as outlined in my thread" Did the US Army cower to the KKK and similar organizations".
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This same sort of mismanagement (corruption) was repeated in other southern states.
So the solution to ending government deficits is to deny African Americans the right to vote? Was there not major corruption in the South when African Americans were denied the right to vote?
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An aggressive law enforcement effort to stamp out the racist white paramilitaries similar to Counter Tel Pro one hundred years later.
Or using the successful efforts of Major Upton Emory as outlined in my thread" Did the US Army cower to the KKK and similar organizations".
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Do you blame Grant for turning his back on North Carolina's scalawag governor Holden after the disastrous Kirk-Holden War in 1870? Or Grant for favoring Richard Coke and his white militia over Edmund J. Davis and his black militia after the Texas gubernatorial election of 1873?
 

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So the solution to ending government deficits is to deny African Americans the right to vote?
Wow...how does an observation about corrupt carpetbag governments morph into denying blacks a right to vote?

Was there not major corruption in the South when African Americans were denied the right to vote?
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I have no idea. If there was, start a new thread and show us.
 

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Wow...how does an observation about corrupt carpetbag governments morph into denying blacks a right to vote?

I have no idea. If there was, start a new thread and show us.
Because that appears to be the rationale offered why it was so necessary to violently suppress the right of black people to vote. No Southern state on their own accord ever enacted Civil Rights protections to all it's citizens.
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Do you blame Grant for turning his back on North Carolina's scalawag governor Holden after the disastrous Kirk-Holden War in 1870? Or Grant for favoring Richard Coke and his white militia over Edmund J. Davis and his black militia after the Texas gubernatorial election of 1873?
Not sure if the Kirk-Holden War was a disaster if it at least temporarily stooped the terrorism of the KKK . Yes Grant should of favored vigorous support of local counterinsurgency forces that most definitely include black men willing to fight the racist paramilitary forces.
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Not sure if the Kirk-Holden War was a disaster if it at least temporarily stooped the terrorism of the KKK . Yes Grant should of favored vigorous support of local counterinsurgency forces that most definitely include black men willing to fight the racist paramilitary forces.
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Uh, Yeah, with Kirk back in east Tennessee, Holden impeached and removed from office, Holden's moderate Republican replacement as governor restraining the black militias, there was less need for the KKK.
 

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Uh, Yeah, with Kirk back in east Tennessee, Holden impeached and removed from office, Holden's moderate Republican replacement as governor restraining the black militias, there was less need for the KKK.
The KKK proved that terrorism against a defenseless population works very well. Do you support dies who use terrorism to suppress the right of people of color to exercise their Civil Rights? You did day there was less need for the KKK.
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Because that appears to be the rationale offered why it was so necessary to violently suppress the right of black people to vote. No Southern state on their own accord ever enacted Civil Rights protections to all it's citizens.
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Why was it so necessary to suppress the white Southerners' vote during Radical Reconstruction? Keep in mind nine of the former Confederate states had white majorities. Don't you think whites in those states would have voted the carpetbaggers and scalawags out of office forthwith had they the power and opportunity?
 

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The KKK proved that terrorism against a defenseless population works very well. Do you support dies who use terrorism to suppress the right of people of color to exercise their Civil Rights? You did day there was less need for the KKK.
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So did terrorism against the majority white population of the states like North Carolina until the KKK took a stand. In the end, though, it wasn't so much anything the Klan did as it was the excess of the radicals and their militias that was their undoing.
 

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So did terrorism against the majority white population of the states like North Carolina until the KKK took a stand. In the end, though, it wasn't so much anything the Klan did as it was the excess of the radicals and their militias that was their undoing.
What terrorism against white people? Were white people lynched for the next one hundred years simply because they wanted to exercise their constitutional rights?
Why exactly did white Southerners suppress black people's Civil Rights until eventually the Federal government curtailed their ability to do so?
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What terrorism against white people? Were white people lynched for the next one hundred years simply because they wanted to exercise their constitutional rights?
Why exactly did white Southerners suppress black people's Civil Rights until eventually the Federal government curtailed their ability to do so?
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I'm still waiting for your answer to my question: Don't you think whites in those states would have voted the carpetbaggers and scalawags out of office forthwith had they the power and opportunity? (post#93) And may I remind you the topic deals with Reconstruction and not what happened in the South and the rest of the country for the next one hundred years.
 

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Because that appears to be the rationale offered why it was so necessary to violently suppress the right of black people to vote. No Southern state on their own accord ever enacted Civil Rights protections to all it's citizens.
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No, I didn't offer that rationale. As I said, I made an observation of corruption by state governments during reconstruction.

Why was it OK to disfranchise the white voters?
 

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The problem is that nearly all the time when these claims are posted, NO DETAILS OF WHY IT WAS SO BAD, are posted. It's always complaints of "policies" during reconstruction were purposely used to (so to speak) down-trod the southern people, and keep em poor.
In Florida, William Henry Gleason is considered a classic example of a carpetbagger:

He used political connections for personal gain including real estate acquisition and staged what might be considered a coup against Gov. Harrison Reed.

Many controversial and alledgedly corrupt land grant policies in Florida - including Hamilton Disston, the Florida East Coast Canal, and various railroads - were actually post-Reconstruction. However, I have heard the argument made that as these grants-for-improvements policies were generally not practiced in the antebellum South they represent a permanent corruption of the South by Yankees and mostly benefited Yankee tourists and settlers. So while after Reconstruction they are perceived as part of its legacy.
 


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