" BTW suppose your not familiar with the term shanghaied, questionable methods were known to put people in military or naval service against their will as well......and indentured servitude was still around too "
Why on earth would I be unfamiliar with the term and what on earth has it to do with the means by which American enslaved were controlled? That's not even apples and oranges, it's apples and hammerhead sharks. ' Taking the King's shilling ' is a wholeeee 'nother story. And indentured servants got to choose whether or not they signed away their rights.
You can strew the path here with red herrings but that doesn't mean they'll get tripped over on the way to the truth.
Your the one strewing here and there and everywhere with the red herrings. Another member provided a factual account of the military using a similar device. I simply agreed that in the 1800's barbaric punishments were rather common, they were used in slavery, the military, and is some cases on civilians as well, because thats the actual historic truth. I thought everyone should be able to agree barbaric practices are barbaric practices no matter who they were used on, yet here we go down some rabbit hole as if some were better then others, I disagree, barbaric is still barbaric.
I haven't minimized treatment of anyone by simply noting it was used on a even larger scale, I get rather tired of simply acknowledging something that happened, because it did happen......and then people suggesting by innuendo you said or meant something you didn't, and you that you never said at all.......the only diminishing of the treatment would be by not acknowledging it was used on others as well
Unless you have something to disprove Tom Hughes case, not sure your problem acknowledging it was used outside slavery as well, and really if you wish to question Tom Hughes case you should probably be addressing him.
Shanghaied is someone you was physically took or tricked into service against their will, and if you cant see the similarity between it and being took in to slavery or indentured servitude, that's your problem, but held against your will is still being held against your will in all 3 cases. Again not sure the issue with acknowledging cases of people being held against their will, as we also know it happened to.
Again my post simply acknowledged punishments were used outside slavery as well, because in fact they were........And for some reason people are making red herring and straw man cases to me of "moral equivalency" or "diminishing" when I never said neither....and it gets offensive to have people suggest you did by innuendo and false arguments when you didn't
Now if your asking me if i think forcing people to wear such devices, or other punishments such as flogging or 40 lashes were barbaric, I do, and haven't ever said otherwise.