Order of battle ANV

atlantis

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Should Lee have kept the ANV a 2 Corp army instead of expanding to 3 Corp. Stuart could have replaced the fallen Jackson and IMBODEN could have replaced Stuart in command of cavalry.
 

Kyle Kalasnik

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Good question and a tough question. I am very interested to see the responses to this question.

Hindsight being 20/20, and knowing the outcome of Gettysburg and the performances of Hill and Ewell, it makes you think.

What about DH Hill, as a Corps Commander, had he not been had some issues with Lee and Davis?

A great “what if” question.
 

Cavalier

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I believe the reorganization to three corps was overdue, leadership issues not withstanding.

I wonder what others may think of the staff's of the corps as they then existed also. They seem awfully small, especially considering the size of the two corps. I maybe incorrect but I believe the staff of a brigade commander in the French army of the Napoleonic era was larger than that of a corps commander in the ANV.

If I was Lee I would have been very reluctant to have anyone but Stuart as the head of my cavalry.

John
 

Saphroneth

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The understanding I have is that Lee wanted three corps, but not at the cost of DH Hill as a corps commander. Functionally in Northern Virginia that's what he had because the reinforcement column is a "third corps", and in Maryland McLaws and Anderson are effectively a "third corps" with DH Hill and Walker not part of any of them.
 

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Lee could not and would not move Stuart from the cavalry. So if not Stuart who but A.P. Hill could have been the corps commander?
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Saphroneth

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Lee could not and would not move Stuart from the cavalry. So if not Stuart who but A.P. Hill could have been the corps commander?
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David
He could have had McLaws promoted.

It's important to consider the state balance in corps commanders.

Jackson was Virginian. (As was Ewell.)
Longstreet was South Carolinan.
McLaws was Georgian.
DH Hill was South Carolinan.
AP Hill was also Virginian.
 

Jamieva

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Mclaws performance at Salem Church took him out of any consideration to a promotion. Lee basically told Longstreet to babysit him after that and that finally ended at Knoxville.
Lee thought that a corps commander having 4 or 5 divisions under their command was just unwieldy in a battlefield scenario. the only other consideration was DH Hill but he had worn out his welcome by the end of 1862 and lee made no effort to keep him with the ANV.
 

JSylvester

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Maybe an outsider like Buckner or Breckinridge, or even Richard Taylor.

Promote Cleburne and the A of T will have an extra Corps commander.

Breckinridge would have been a solid choice. If Lee did not care for seniority, however, promoting Early would present him with an aggressive fighter, recently baptised in leading a larger body of troops (defence of Mary's Heights). Early and Longstreet would be able to continue the same offensive/defensive balance as before with Jackson.
 

Saphroneth

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I'm not sure to what extent it was actually Lee's choice in the first place.

So let's see... what are the dates of rank for the MGs in question...

Ewell

Major general
rank, conf: January 24, 1862
nom: January 17, 1862

AP Hill

Major general
rank, nom: May 26, 1862
conf: September 27, 1862

These two are the baseline.

Breckinridge:

Major general
rank: April 14, 1862
nom: April 16, 1862
conf: April 18, 1862

Junior to Ewell but senior to AP Hill. Would replace AP Hill.

Buckner

Major general
rank, nom: August 16, 1862
conf: September 27, 1862

Could not replace AP Hill unless seniority overridden.

Richard Taylor

Major general
rank, nom: July 28, 1862
conf: September 27, 1862

Could not replace AP Hill unless seniority overridden.



I think what this means is that to not have AP Hill, you'd need either:
- It's Breckinridge
or
- Lee decides AP Hill is not fit for corps command.

We know however that Lee actually had decided this already - AP Hill was fit for corps command and he asked for Longstreet/Jackson/AP Hill in late 1862.

To not have Ewell, you need Lee to decide Ewell is not fit for corps command. (I sort of wonder to what extent Jackson's corps was already partly doing well because of Ewell, though - Ewell seems to have been the practically minded sort...)
 
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