"Orange Confederate monument will include 32 rebel flags"

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The thirteen columns that represent the states that fought on the side of the Confederacy during the Civil War already stand north of the interstate off Martin Luther King Jr. Drive. The group will add eight flags as soon as the poles come in – though Davis can't estimate when that will be – and the remaining flags will be added in increments of eight as funds allow until all 32 stand around the circular monument, Davis said.

Each flag with have a nameplate and history of the flag.

Locals whose ancestors fought in the Confederate Army or Navy also contributed to the memorial by purchasing bricks at $50, $300 and $500 and benches at $800, according to the group's website.

http://www.beaumontenterprise.com/news/article/Orange-Confederate-monument-will-include-32-rebel-6178127.php
 

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Here are a few lines from the article:

"Despite community concerns about the city of Orange's image,"

"despite earlier attempts to prevent construction. The free speech rights of Sons of Confederate Veterans trumps the disgust of many citizens."

"I don't like it. I think it's a bad idea," Orange City Attorney John Cash "Jack" Smith said last week. "But they own the property, and the First Amendment warrants them that right."

"Residents criticized the council for allowing the project to move forward. But Smith said the city could have been sued if its officials had tried to block it."

"When the Sons of Confederate Veterans proposed the memorial in February 2013, Orange citizens flocked to a city council meeting to speak against the project. No one spoke for it..."
 

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Let us recall that this is yet another example of the SCV using the 14th Amendment to override state or local rights. The 1st Amendment, as intended by the Framers, did not encompass state or local government actions. It is only the 14th Amendment that allowed the Federal courts to to intervene in these sorts of cases.

The SCV spokesman said the memorial was erected to honor those who fought for state sovereignty.

Oh, the irony.
 
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The SCV is using this monument to give us a history lesson:

Granvel Block of Orange, commander of the statewide SVC group and the Orange camp and main force behind the project, rebuffs arguments that slavery was the cause of the Civil War. He said slave owners were scattered across the map, not just the south.
 
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Except that neither of those states recognized themselves as part of the Confederacy. So much for States Rights.
Since both Missouri and Kentucky had Confederate representatives in exile, it is therefore a matter of opinion as to who recognized whom and why. Those Missouri and Kentucky patriots that stood by the South are just as entitled to a star or column as anyone else without the blessing of some outside sanction or approval.
 

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Since both Missouri and Kentucky had Confederate representatives in exile, it is therefore a matter of opinion as to who recognized whom and why. Those Missouri and Kentucky patriots that stood by the South are just as entitled to a star or column as anyone else without the blessing of some outside sanction or approval.
Will there be American flags at these two columns as well? They supplied many troops to the Union forces.
 
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Orange has a troubled history of violence, much of it revolving around race. There were reports of murders of suspected abolition sympathizers in 1860/61, and the town had a well-known lynching tree on the main street downtown for many years, until some local business leaders decided that particular landmark wasn't actually so good for business and cut it down. Orange is alleged to have been a "sundown town," like a number of small communities in that area. With that historical baggage, it's not surprising that many in that community view the placement of this particular monument, with its almost three dozen Confederate flags, on MLK Drive to be delibrate provocation.
 
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Did you miss the part about this being a Confederate monument? Are there Confederate flags at Federal monuments up your way? Do you think there should be?
I am not aware of any New Hampshire regiments serving the Confederacy so that might not be appropriate. There were many such regiments supporting the Union from Missouri and Kentucky. That is part of their heritage.

As we are always told this is about heritage.
 

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Since both Missouri and Kentucky had Confederate representatives in exile, it is therefore a matter of opinion as to who recognized whom and why. Those Missouri and Kentucky patriots that stood by the South are just as entitled to a star or column as anyone else without the blessing of some outside sanction or approval.
So just made up history.
 
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The belief that we must constantly defend the actions, symbols, and institutions, of the Confederate States of America, should be as long dead as it is!
If you put up a public display, you invite public comment.

If you put the display up in a community that opposes it and you place it on a street named in honor of a black Civil Rights martyr, you have chosen the site because you want controversy.
 

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The SCV is using this monument to give us a history lesson:

Granvel Block of Orange, commander of the statewide SVC group and the Orange camp and main force behind the project, rebuffs arguments that slavery was the cause of the Civil War. He said slave owners were scattered across the map, not just the south.
Block is a good example of how the SCV and other heritage groups have damaged themselves. The incentives within those groups are all wrong, and the rewards (honors, election to higher office, etc.) generally go to those who are, to put it bluntly, defiant and dumb. They're so enamored with being "politically incorrect" that making a defiant scene becomes an end, in and of itself. The ludicrous temper tantrum they threw last year at Olustee in Florida, over a proposed monument honoring Union troops who fought there, is a good example. Behavior like that gets lots of kudos from like-minded people, but for the other 99% of the population who aren't SCV members, it's exceptionally off-putting.
 
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