19thGeorgia
1st Lieutenant
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- Apr 4, 2017
Report on a Union League convention.Looking forward to your postings concerning the Union League.
Leftyhunter
Wheeling Daily Register, Sept. 10, 1866-
Report on a Union League convention.Looking forward to your postings concerning the Union League.
Leftyhunter
It's interesting, but I think the fact that the US accepted the idea that Lee waived his citizenship means it doesn't apply.
That the Seceshers were liars has already been demonstrably proven. See other threads.
Do you have a neologism to correctly capture the essence of those who hype "Lost Causer" every time someone advances an argument other than slavery?
IMO, we were discussing the Virginian voters who wished to form a new state (prior to the formation of WV) since your post 222. Do you not see the voters in the remainder of Virginia or those who did not want to form a state as relevant? Not sure why you assume this would need moderates oversight since it appears to fall in line with the title of the thread.Uh... No, West Virginia was not still part of VA. What are you doing? (besides inviting mod oversight).
It's possible to defend Lee, even to admire Lee, while admitting that he committed treason according to the Constitutional definition of the crime. Acting in defiance of the law on a deeply held principle is often considered admirable in modern culture. Don't we admire the patriots of 1776 who took up arms against the legally constituted government of the time? Even in 1861, there were admirers of John Brown who applauded his act of treason.
Other than Lincoln’s use as justification for forming the new state.Probably not, I may have missed something but I don't remember seeing any objection to claims that the Confederates didn't exist because they were still part of the US.
Our constitution was intended, among other things, to anticipate issues and provide means to resolve them equitably when they arise. The Founders anticipated that Habeas Corpus might come under attack and intentionally restricted the power to suspend it to Congress.What's wrong with post 1861 legal scholarship? Suspension of habeus corpus was not an issue prior to the ACW.
Leftyhunter
If that had been universally enforced I imagine post-1865 elections would have looked rather different. I also imagine they could then have tried Jefferson Davis.Or, as is in line with the US stated legal position on the issue, it was understood that Lee engaged in treason, as did all Confederate soldiers, and they were stripped of their citizenship once they waged war on the US.
Don't we admire the patriots of 1776 who took up arms against the legally constituted government of the time?
I've always been shocked that, so many won't acknowledge the shady shenanigans that put WV into the Union.
There were southerners who justified forming a new country.Other than Lincoln’s use as justification for forming the new state.
Not necessarily. There's several ways to lose your citizenship.
One of them is to commit treason.
Yet Congress did allow President Lincoln to suspend habeus corpus even after they passed a law in 1863 concerning habeus corpus as outlined in the article that was posted by the Abraham Lincoln Association. To this day the President under certain circumstances can suspend habeus corpus.Our constitution was intended, among other things, to anticipate issues ond provide means to resolve them equitably when they arise. The Founders anticipated that Habeas Corpus might come under attack and intentionally restricted the power to suspend it to Congress.
The Founders based this decision on long-standing British precedent that suspension was the prerogative of Parliament.
Further, John Marshall clearly stated in Ex Parte Bollman and Ex Parte Swartwout, 8 u. S. 75 (1807):
If at any time the public safety should require the suspension of the powers vested by this act in the courts of the United States, it is for the legislature to say so.
IMO, we were discussing the Virginian voters who wished to form a new state (prior to the formation of WV) since your post 222. Do you not see the voters in the remainder of Virginia or those who did not want to form a state as relevant?...
Thanks for your response.Yet Congress did allow President Lincoln to suspend habeus corpus even after they passed a law in 1863 concerning habeus corpus as outlined in the article that was posted by the Abraham Lincoln Association. To this day the President under certain circumstances can suspend habeus corpus.
Leftyhunter
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