Thank you !There were ethnic, national, religious, racial, class, economic, moral, and other differences throughout the states and within different parts of the various states north and south.
I would say obviously it existed as an organized political entity which was also recognized as existing as a belligerent with a formally organized army and navy. And to the majority of its citizens it existed as a country or nation.Because the English word for nation and even country is very broad, I hold the CSA was nation or country. The only thing it was not was an international person with recognition.
Look forward to a discussion on this.
Thanks for your post, Corporal.Why yes James. LOL.
SC seceded Dec 20th. The speech is explicitly shown to be January 7th. So 18 days.
And he is talking about why SC seceded, this after visits from the commissioners of secession.
He was also quite irked that they attempted to coerce Virginia by declaring that no Virginia slaves would be allowed to be sold into their proposed confederacy.
But then, that confederacy was still a month away, at the Montgomery Convention of Feb 4th.
And of course I didn't state all the non-slaveholding states, it's disingenuous to suggest so when I'm quoting someone else. You'll have to do a lot better than that to discredit the words of the governor of Virginia on the topic of why secession occurred and why all of his proposed remedies explicitly concerned slavery.
You can find overwhelming evidence of similar thought in the various secession conventions, the commissioner's speeches, and the newspapers at the time.
I think you meant obtuse instead of abstruse.LOL. Why would you possibly think I'd limit my responses to you based on your construction of limiting my free speech? How abstruse.
And we were talking about a governor, not a President. Therefore your segue is inappropriate.
Feel free to put forward a point. No one owes you a response here, and the Socratic method is always of dubious providence when you have yet to prove your bonafides.
It was classified as a belligerent. Which is some sort of minimal recognization but only limited to the laws of war.I would say obviously it existed as an organized political entity which was also recognized as existing as a belligerent with a formally organized army and navy. And to the majority of its citizens it existed as a country or nation.
not sure would go as far to it didn't exist as an "international person with recognition" it didn't exist as a formally recognized sovereign nation......may be a minor distinction, but how could one sell cotton abroad and purchase arms as the CSA with CSA owned blockade runners and agents.....without being recognized an international person or entity?
Arthur Boreman was nominated and ran unopposed.The election of governor Arthor Boremam in 1863...no one was allowed to run against him.
french revolutionary view ?
Many Americans North and South were divided in their opinions of the French Revolution.
Biggest problem I see running through many of these responses is the use of the words "all." We can generalize about the majority, but the country was far from one mass of homogenized people. There were ethnic, national, religious, racial, class, economic, moral, and other differences throughout the states and within different parts of the various states north and south.
Some discussed hereThank you !
Some here don’t like me so I get a thumbs down for saying the same thing.
What about the Diabolic Frenzies?My Fellow Posters,
...My own caption for those who resort to this kind of debate is "Lost Logicers." But I don't like the euphony of that response, even though I think the caption is correct.
...If anyone has a better neologism for responding to these advocates, I would like to find something better and more euphonic.
Who can help?
A wonderful post. Thank you.What about the Diabolic Frenzies?
"The North is fighting for self-preservation as much as for Southern subjugation, the latter of which is now chiefly desired, because it involves the former. The time when, possessed of devils, it sought to exterminate the South in a fit of foaming, diabolic frenzy, has long since passed, and, in spite of Lincoln's proclamation, the clear, distinct object of the great mass of that nation in the further prosecution of this war is to save themselves from the overhanging avalanche of ruin which the success of the Southern cause must precipitate upon their heads." -Richmond Dispatch, February 17, 1863
Abstruse means difficult to understand. That's what I intended to convey.I think you meant obtuse instead of abstruse.
The raiders were sold through third parties, but still dont see how one could buy or sell clearly as the CSA whether through first or third parties...….without existing......…..It was classified as a belligerent. Which is some sort of minimal recognization but only limited to the laws of war.
Belligerent | Definition of Belligerent by Merriam-Webster
belonging to or recognized as a state at war and protected by and subject to the laws of war.
Buying and selling were done through individuals subject to the laws of the nation they were citizens of. Sometimes that did not go well as in the Laird rams
Sorry, I don't have anything on this. I'll see if I can find anything - certainly servile insurrection was on the mind of many of the secessionists, even more so explicitly since the Haiti Rebellion and Harper's Ferry. Whether the allegations of arming the slaves was justified outside the attempt to gain the arsenal at Harper's Ferry I can't say with any clarity.Do you have any more of the "arms...have been fabricated, and sent into the slave states" Area of ignorance of mine. Harper's Ferry yes, but more???? Unaware of this.
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