Oops, big lump of your posts....

[James Lutzweiler]

Were they differences, that to a visitor from Europe, would easily identify one as North and the other South?

Please advise how this addresses the OP.

 

[ebg12]

Which means what?

Nor does a charge being dropped indicate guilt, your going in circles chasing your own tail...….what does indicate guilt or innocence is verdicts, barring none your just spinning opinion and conjecture...…. and lack of charges mean lack of verdicts, which leaves you at presumption of innocence under our system. Again what is a known and not conjecture, is he was convicted of nothing...….

If your suggesting we should have some entirely different justice system, think its beyond the scope of this thread

There is a difference between-theory and reality. Money and politics do influence the courts. Must we presume that lynching mobs of black people dacades after the civil war were innocent because the lynching mobs were never charged with murder. Are we not to question there guilt, is that the idea?

 

[ebg12]

Again said juror in said trials life would be in grave peril if he voted for a conviction.
Leftyhunter

So lynching mobs of black people decades after the civil war is not an injustice if the mob is not charged with murder?

 

[archieclement]

There is a difference between-theory and reality. Money and politics do influence the courts. Must we presume that lynching mobs of black people dacades after the civil war were innocent because the lynching mobs were never charged with murder. Are we not to question there guilt, is that the idea?

Sounds as if you are the one advocating lynch mobs and judging people guilty who haven't been found of guilty of anything by due process of law, or were even charged with anything...….you cant have it both ways...….

Oh wait perhaps you think we should go by the law of EBG who just will judge guilt or innocence on some personal whim, and actual trials and evidence or lack thereof will mean nothing, no thanks I'll pass on that idea...…

If you think theres some better justice system, it probally deserves its own thread, but so far all I have heard is complaints and no better alternative even suggested. I haven't heard anyone here say ours is flawless in every circumstance...….yet haven't heard anyone suggest some alternative that is either.....or that would be preferable

 

[CSA Today]

Court cases take years to get Supreme Court. Four years is relatively fast. Texas v.White was based in antebellum law.
Leftyhunter

Actually closer to nine years, but whatever the time lapse, it would seem the Northern court was so unsure about an antebellum law that it deemed it necessary pass another law while the captive South was powerless during the throes of Radical Reconstruction.

 

[CSA Today]

So lynching mobs of black people decades after the civil war were never charged with murder because of a lack of credible evidence to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt?

If you had read more closely what I actually wrote you would have duly noted that I referred to cases brought before the courts.

 

[CSA Today]

Please Add Southern Unionists and the African Americans that aided the United States as standing in the way of Southern Independence.

Should I have added Northern Copperheads as opposed to Lincoln's war of aggression?

 

[jgoodguy]

Forgone conclusion they were going to show up to either fight or proceede southbound, no?

One of a bunch of possibilities.

 

[Kelly]

@jgoodguy ,

Very much enjoyed going through the source material you posted above.

Thanks for taking the time and effort to do so.
Sincerely,
Unionblue

Gasp! Taney was a Southern sympathizer! What rot. Please tell me, was Joseph Story a Southern Sympathizer? Was John Marshall? Was William Blackstone? And if Taney was incorrect, you should quite easily be able to point to the provision in Article II which gives the President the authority to suspend habeas corpus. Start with Article II, section 2. That's where the powers of the president are enumerated. And please, tell me when you find it. Thanks.


PS- Chief Justice Salmon Chase was a Northern sympathizer, right? Well, so much for Texas v. White. Right?

 

[CSA Today]

The South continued to believe that Anderson would be withdrawn up until
April 4, 1861.

The Confederate interception of Lincoln's letter to Anderson removed any lingering doubt about Lincoln's intentions.

 

[jgoodguy]

Should I have added Northern Copperheads as to Lincoln's war of aggression?

The Copperheads took CSA gold and gave nothing but talk talk in return. I am not sure to add or subtract from Lincoln's war of liberation.

 

[leftyhunter]

So lynching mobs of black people decades after the civil war is not an injustice if the mob is not charged with murder?

Unfortunately that is correct. Most if not all perpetrators of lynchings went unpunished up until roughly fifty years ago.
Leftyhunter

 

[jgoodguy]

The Confederate interception of Lincoln's letter to Anderson removed any lingering doubt about Lincoln's intentions.

Please let's not divert into a Sunter debate and stay in VA as much as possible.

 

[leftyhunter]

Actually closer to nine years, but whatever the time lapse, it would seem the Northern court was so unsure about an antebellum law that it deemed it necessary pass another law while the captive South was powerless during the throes of Radical Reconstruction.

Not sure what you mean by "captive South". Former Rebels who took a loyalty oath were quickly allowed to vote . The same former Rebels denied black Southerners the right to vote for a good one hundred .
Leftyhunter

 

[jgoodguy]

Were they differences, that to a visitor from Europe, would easily identify one as North and the other South?

Plantations
Slaves
Gentry
Poor whites.

 

[19thGeorgia]

Not sure what you mean by "captive South". Former Rebels who took a loyalty oath were quickly allowed to vote . The same former Rebels denied black Southerners the right to vote for a good one hundred .
Leftyhunter

This is false. The Radical governments in the South disfranchised as many whites as they could.

 

[leftyhunter]

This is false. The Radical governments in the South disfranchised as many whites as they could.

No it us not . President Johnson quickly pardoned all the Rebels.
Leftyhunter

 

[ebg12]

If you had read more closely what I actually wrote you would have duly noted that I referred to cases brought before the courts.

So prejudice in the courts in the south after the civil war never existed?

 

[CSA Today]

The Copperheads took CSA gold and gave nothing but talk talk in return. I am not sure to add or subtract from Lincoln's war of liberation.

Would you say about the same effect blacks and unionists had on Confederate decision making?

 

[CSA Today]

Not sure what you mean by "captive South". Former Rebels who took a loyalty oath were quickly allowed to vote . The same former Rebels denied black Southerners the right to vote for a good one hundred .
Leftyhunter

If white Southerners weren't under duress, Radical reconstruction would have ended, in at least nine of the states, shortly after "former rebels" received the vote.