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Really? Why did he ride secretly through Baltimore on his way to DC from Illinois?
Yes really. He rode incognito to Baltimore before his inauguration because there were rumors of an assassination attempt on him. The riots were April 19, 1861 and involved Baltimore rowdies and outsiders against Pennsylvania and Massachusetts state troops enroute to Washington DC to protect the Capitol.

edit - And this has nothing to do with the topic of this thread
 
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Yes really. He rode incognito to Baltimore before his inauguration because there were rumors of an assassination attempt on him. The riots were April 19, 1861 and involved Baltimore rowdies and outsiders against Pennsylvania and Massachusetts state troops enroute to Washington DC to protect the Capitol.

edit - And this has nothing to do with the topic of this thread
True, but diversions like that wake us up and enjoy our cup of coffee and add to our knowledge. Thanks
 

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Really? Why did he ride secretly through Baltimore on his way to DC from Illinois?
Because the honorable secessionists who you claim to be legal and just wanting to be left alone were trying to kill him. Typical secessionists wanting to win by any means. Next, you will be telling us assassination is legal because there is nothing in the Constitution against it and it was Lincoln.
 

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Because the honorable secessionists who you claim to be legal and just wanting to be left alone were trying to kill him. Typical secessionists wanting to win by any means. Next, you will be telling us assassination is legal because there is nothing in the Constitution against it and it was Lincoln.
How does... the Compact Theory go...again?
 
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It still strikes me as strange that in a troubled time, no, more like an extraordinarily troubled time, that there seems to be the strange notion that all operations of the federal government must remain normal, as if nothing is happening at all.

Would we really continue with a normal routine if our home caught fire or was being broken into by robbers? Calmly let the flames consume our property and take the lives of our children? Would we wave the police away and sit doing nothing while robbers beat our children, rape our wife and take at gunpoint our valuables?

In my own view, civil war changes EVERYTHING especially if you have never have experienced such before. There is no road map, no established book of rules to make the transition from peace to war in a mistake free experience. Why does everyone feel that it should be such amid the chaos of such a time?

In my view Lincoln did the best he could with what he had. We owe our very national existence to the man and I'm glad he did what he did when he did it. Was the challenge he faced a 'military necessity?' Of course it was. Did he need to suspend habeas corpus? Yes, he did. How do I know this?

We're here, aren't we? One of the most envied nations on the earth with individual freedoms and the most input into how we are governed than any other.

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From his Address to Congress in Special Session, I think the only Constitutional question to Lincoln's mind, would be whether he had usurped Congressional authority. Because in the end he laid all the events and his responses before Congress for its approval(or Not, presumably) and action as they saw fit.
 
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The more I read from Posters who address the OP,
I weary of reading about all the cultural conflict and differences between the North and the South during this period with virtually no mention, let alone emphasis, upon what the sections had in common.
Maybe that is because you have made it clear , and complained about staying on topic, that you are only interested in commonalities not differences and differences have been edited out of the thread.
I believe that the complaint of so many secessionists that the North and South were "so different" was nothing but certifiable hogwash designed to inflame secession impulses.
When you manipulate the results you can make it say anything you want.
 

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Really ?

I take "ethnicity" to mean "the fact or state of belonging to a social group that has a common national or cultural tradition." For example, the majority of white northerners and southerners embraced the "Republican ideology" of the American Revolution, even though by 1860 they disagreed about what it meant.
 
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Language, religion, ethnicity, racism
It would be interesting to see what researchers believe was the breakdown of the two sections in those terms.
Residents of the two regions mainly spoke the same language, were mainly Christian, generally- except for the slaves- western European. Virtually all were racist by today's standard, although there was a vocal minority of abolitionists (at most 15% of the population nationally) mostly in the North.
 

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It would be interesting to see what researchers believe was the breakdown of the two sections in those terms... Virtually all were racist by today's standard, although there was a vocal minority of abolitionists (at most 15% of the population nationally) mostly in the North.
I agree that it would be an interesting topic. Re. the abolitionists, even many of them were racist by today's standards. It depended on their personal motivations for becoming an abolitionist, which are more complex than most people assume.
 
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That is a broad stroke of the brush. Republicanism does not make us ethnically the same. As you point out even with that term there was debate. Not everyone in America was opposed to a king and a debate resulted over what to call the new president.
What everyone fails to get is that we were all different with all sorts of different baggage. What made us great was what we accomplished in spite of those differences. Co-operation with our differences and competition of our differences made us great ! That is why the American civil war is such a sad story.
 
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were mainly Christian, generally- except for the slaves- western European.
By 1860 many if not most slaves had converted. It was their freedom in the present.
Being Christian and Western European did not stop differences in Western Europe from starting European wars.
What about native Americans, Mexicans, Spaniards , creoles, Asians, Eastern Europeans and Russians, were they Western European ?

Definition of Ethnicity
Ethnicity denotes groups, such as Irish, Fijian, or Sioux, etc. that share a common identity-based ancestry, language, or culture. It is often based on religion, beliefs, and customs as well as memories of migration or colonization (Cornell & Hartmann, 2007).

Did germans share the same ancestry, language, religion , and culture of the Irish ? Or English ? Swedes and French ? Russian and Jew ? Did they all migrate for the same reasons ?

It is co-operation in spite of this diversity and difference that makes us the “Great Melting Pot” of the world.
 
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