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Postmaster General reporting to Senate on quotes for steamer mail packet service to Europe - 1846.
Reference of mail to and from the US by Cunard Line from Boston (600,000) and New York (1,000,000), "rendering it probable that over three millions of letters pass annually between the United States and Europe."
Abstract of the bids received for steamer mail service
Departure dates from New York of steamer mail packets during cotton shipping season (Oct - March) for 1849-50 Only 13 departures. Ten with the Cunard Line - found on pages 25, 27, 28; and three with the Ocean Line - page 85.

Since its been asserted that the reason cotton shipped through New York was because government subsidized mail packets with empty hulls there could offer cheap shipping rates, and....... since we find that the government didn't subsidize mail packets until after 1845 and they only contracted for steamship service,....... does it then follow that cotton in any appreciable volumn did not ship through New York before 1845?
 
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If you can be really specific in pointing us to evidence that New York was not granted a monopoly on mail service (I've posted evidence it was) or at what point that may have happened, it'll be much easier for most of us to grasp.
In my previous post I linked to the Postmaster General report with the Abstract of Bids which says that bids could be for any port in the US. New York was the port that made the most sense for mail to Europe, but it didn't become the center of operations for the Post Office because of "being granted a monopoly", but because of its great populaton density and center of commercial traffic. Mail traffic was also being conducted back and forth between Charleston to Cuba, New Orleans and Galveston to Panama for Pacific routes,
 

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Postmaster General reporting to Senate on quotes for steamer mail packet service to Europe - 1846.
Reference of mail to and from the US by Cunard Line from Boston (600,000) and New York (1,000,000), "rendering it probable that over three millions of letters pass annually between the United States and Europe."
Abstract of the bids received for steamer mail service
Departure dates from New York of steamer mail packets during cotton shipping season (Oct - March) for 1849-50 Only 13 departures. Ten with the Cunard Line - found on pages 25, 27, 28; and three with the Ocean Line - page 85.

Since its been asserted that the reason cotton shipped through New York was because government subsidized mail packets with empty hulls there could offer cheap shipping rates, and since the government didn't subsidize mail packets until after 1845 and they only contracted for steamship service, does it then follow that cotton in any appreciable volumn did not ship through New York before 1845?
Good info.

here is an image of cotton exports to England 1845.
Report of the Secretary of the Treasury, on commerce ... 1844-1845. Line 13 Looks like about 564,000,000 pounds. Seems to be a lot of cotton to stack on about 15 mail packets.
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Postmaster General reporting to Senate on quotes for steamer mail packet service to Europe - 1846.
Reference of mail to and from the US by Cunard Line from Boston (600,000) and New York (1,000,000), "rendering it probable that over three millions of letters pass annually between the United States and Europe."
Abstract of the bids received for steamer mail service
Departure dates from New York of steamer mail packets during cotton shipping season (Oct - March) for 1849-50 Only 13 departures. Ten with the Cunard Line - found on pages 25, 27, 28; and three with the Ocean Line - page 85.

Since its been asserted that the reason cotton shipped through New York was because government subsidized mail packets with empty hulls there could offer cheap shipping rates, and since the government didn't subsidize mail packets until after 1845 and they only contracted for steamship service, does it then follow that cotton in any appreciable volumn did not ship through New York before 1845?
In support
1845 Ships clearing for England line 13 987 ships carrying 573,767 tons and 19,800 crew.
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Good info.

here is an image of cotton exports to England 1845.
Report of the Secretary of the Treasury, on commerce ... 1844-1845. Line 13 Looks like about 564,000,000 pounds. Seems to be a lot of cotton to stack on about 15 mail packets.
I don't know....564,000,000 lbs of cotton - that's only 1.4 million bales. And if its a steamer don't forget to leave room on board for the coal.
 



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