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W. Richardson

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The above notes and book of the author mentioned have been debunked.

Search: Lincoln's lost speech for the story.

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Hi UB and welcome back to CWT. Great having you back.

Debunked by whom?

But we will go with what you have stated.

I will say then, that I am not nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way, the social and political equality of the white and black races, that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of making voters of the negroes, or jurors, or qualifying them to hold office, or having them to marry with white people. I will say in addition, that there is a physical difference between the white and black races, which I suppose, will forever forbid the two races living together upon terms of social and political equality, and inasmuch, as they cannot so live, that while they do remain together, there must be the position of superior and inferior, that I as much as any other man am in favor of the superior position being assigned to the white man. I say in this connection, that I do not perceive, however, that because the white man is to have the superior position, that it requires that the negro should be denied everything.
Source: The Lincoln-Douglas Debates: The First Complete, Unexpurgated Text, p. 189, Editor Harold Holzer. Oxford University Press. Kindle Edition.


I am going out on a limb here by assuming "they" have not debunked this................Yet?


I would Honestly like to read more on the debunking of Henry C. Whitney's Vols.

Respectfully,
William

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Hi UB and welcome back to CWT. Great having you back.

Debunked by whom?

But we will go with what you have stated.

I will say then, that I am not nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way, the social and political equality of the white and black races, that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of making voters of the negroes, or jurors, or qualifying them to hold office, or having them to marry with white people. I will say in addition, that there is a physical difference between the white and black races, which I suppose, will forever forbid the two races living together upon terms of social and political equality, and inasmuch, as they cannot so live, that while they do remain together, there must be the position of superior and inferior, that I as much as any other man am in favor of the superior position being assigned to the white man. I say in this connection, that I do not perceive, however, that because the white man is to have the superior position, that it requires that the negro should be denied everything.
Source: The Lincoln-Douglas Debates: The First Complete, Unexpurgated Text, p. 189, Editor Harold Holzer. Oxford University Press. Kindle Edition.


I am going out on a limb here by assuming "they" have not debunked this................Yet?


I would Honestly like to read more on the debunking of Henry C. Whitney's Vols.

Respectfully,
William

One Nation,
Two countries
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@W. Richardson ,

I don't want to hijack @frontrank2 thread, but as I suggested above, google "Lincoln's lost speech" and you will find a site that shows the speech recorded by the author you mention has been debunked.

PM me for further comment.

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@W. Richardson ,

I don't want to hijack @frontrank2 thread, but as I suggested above, google "Lincoln's lost speech" and you will find a site that shows the speech recorded by the author you mention has been debunked.

PM me for further comment.

Unionblue

While Whitney's version can and should be questioned, and even with a taste of doubt, the evidence provided, that it has been "debunked" isn't strong enough to come close to it being "debunked" In my opinion.

If nothing more it is a case of he said, he said.

Respectfully,
William

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Could someone please help me decipher this quote. It was supposedly given by Lincoln at a Temperance Address in 1842. I'm scratching my head over the actual meaning. A friend gave it to me several days ago. I told him other than the many commas in that one sentence it don't even sound like a Lincoln Quote. Here is what he sent me "Happy day, when, all appetites controlled, all poisons subdued, all matter subjected,mind, all conquering mind, shall live and move the monarch of the world. Glorious consummation! Hail fall of Fury! Reign of Reason, all hail! ". Okay, what is the "monarch of the world" ?
 

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Could someone please help me decipher this quote. It was supposedly given by Lincoln at a Temperance Address in 1842. I'm scratching my head over the actual meaning. A friend gave it to me several days ago. I told him other than the many commas in that one sentence it don't even sound like a Lincoln Quote. Here is what he sent me "Happy day, when, all appetites controlled, all poisons subdued, all matter subjected,mind, all conquering mind, shall live and move the monarch of the world. Glorious consummation! Hail fall of Fury! Reign of Reason, all hail! ". Okay, what is the "monarch of the world" ?
After doing a Google search, I found this explanation in the book Crisis of the House Divided: An Interpretation of the Issues in the Lincoln - Douglas Debates by Harry Jaffa
p 270
" the monarch of the world " he is speaking, hyperbole apart, of moral virtue.
 

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After doing a Google search, I found this explanation in the book Crisis of the House Divided: An Interpretation of the Issues in the Lincoln - Douglas Debates by Harry Jaffa
p 270
" the monarch of the world " he is speaking, hyperbole apart, of moral virtue.
 
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