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Some of the most popular, sympathetic, heroic, "good-guy" characters of both movies were Confederates! G&G, in particular was an idolatrous paen to Stonewall Jackson! How does that suggest they "Hate Confederates?"

This is just more paranoid balderdash.
I might add that the movie had some blatant Lost Cause narratives. In the movie, slaves and free black people were happy to serve in the Confederate army and the movie even suggested that there was a talk about offering emancipation to slaves for enlistment, yet a Union officer used racial slurs. In reality, very few colored persons actually served in the Confederate army as soldiers and many slaves switched the side when an opportunity was presented to them.
Moreover, in the film, Thomas Jackson went on about how Northern banks and industries were destroying the South and they would 'lose their country' if the South fails to achieve her independence. It was almost as if slavery was nothing to do with the war and the Confederates were good and humble down-to-earth folks who just wanted to free from racist Yankee invaders.

Yeah, I liked battles and a 19th-century vibe, but come on now, you don't need to either lie or exaggerate how good the Confederates were and belittle the Union as if they were a bunch of thieves to make a good Civil War film. I understand that some people thoroughly enjoyed the film since it represented 'their prospective of the war', but for me, It was painful to watch the film. And I doubt the public loved that particular portrayal of the Confederates either. I believe it was one of reasons why the movie was a commercial failure.
 
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Just my humble opinion but if you want to see a Gettysburg mini-series or movie that attracts an audience then follow the same principles as Band of Brothers or Saving Private Ryan, give us ‘the ‘audience’ characters that we can identify with, put us in a position where we experience a wide range of emotions, fire our imagination so that we want to learn more. I mean, who didn’t identify with with private Upham and his loss of innocence!

The movie audience of today are a far more discerning bunch than they were even 10 years ago, perhaps we’ve become desensitised to blood, gore and horror but the truth is, war is a nasty and vicious business, perhaps it’s time to show us the horror of war, take us back in time to Gettysburg and don’t sugarcoat it, I’m not talking about gratuitous violence nobody wants to see that but it would really help to see a movie about the civil war that didn’t gloss over the reality, hardship and horrors of war.
Okay, I’m not an American but your civil war is your history, it happened and it shaped a nation, every time a lame movie is made I think it does a massive disservice to the American people. You’d think that someone somewhere would want to tell an accurate story of those young men and their families, warts and all.
Before I end my rant, I think it’s worth saying that I think Gettysburg is an awesome movie but it’s definitely lacking something, time for a remake perhaps!
Band of Brothers for Civil War. Ten episodes 5 confederate and 5 union alternating back and forth.
 
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Even if The Last Full Measure were to somehow get made, I think it would seem pretty pointless doing so considering how much time has passed. It would not make much sense making the third part of a trilogy where most, if not all, of the parts in the previous installments have been recast. The only way I can ever see The Last Full Measure being convincingly made is if another film maker went back and did a more faithful adaptation of Gods and Generals.
 

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I'm interested to see how well this new motion picture about Harriet Tubman does at the box office. It's a Civil War movie, right???? I've always thought a motion picture about Clara Barton would be a winner. Both women were champions in my realm of thought. They otta both be on the $20 bill.
 

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Just my humble opinion but if you want to see a Gettysburg mini-series or movie that attracts an audience then follow the same principles as Band of Brothers or Saving Private Ryan, give us ‘the ‘audience’ characters that we can identify with, put us in a position where we experience a wide range of emotions, fire our imagination so that we want to learn more. I mean, who didn’t identify with with private Upham and his loss of innocence!

The movie audience of today are a far more discerning bunch than they were even 10 years ago, perhaps we’ve become desensitised to blood, gore and horror but the truth is, war is a nasty and vicious business, perhaps it’s time to show us the horror of war, take us back in time to Gettysburg and don’t sugarcoat it, I’m not talking about gratuitous violence nobody wants to see that but it would really help to see a movie about the civil war that didn’t gloss over the reality, hardship and horrors of war.
Okay, I’m not an American but your civil war is your history, it happened and it shaped a nation, every time a lame movie is made I think it does a massive disservice to the American people. You’d think that someone somewhere would want to tell an accurate story of those young men and their families, warts and all.
Before I end my rant, I think it’s worth saying that I think Gettysburg is an awesome movie but it’s definitely lacking something, time for a remake perhaps!
You touch on some important points. Gettysburg and G&G both suffered from 1940's/1950's effects. Films/HBO series like Private Ryan, Band of Brothers and Pacific changed that - IMHO, permanently. (Added note: Can we figure out a way for field piece to actually recoil when they're fired?) 'The two Maxwell movies just didn't come close. I'll leave aside the other massive issues with G&G, which I found to be abysmal for a slew of reasons.
 
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I might add that the movie had some blatant Lost Cause narratives. In the movie, slaves and free black people were happy to serve in the Confederate army and the movie even suggested that there was a talk about offering emancipation to slaves for enlistment, yet a Union officer used racial slurs. In reality, very few colored persons actually served in the Confederate army as soldiers and many slaves switched the side when an opportunity was presented to them.
Moreover, in the film, Thomas Jackson went on about how Northern banks and industries were destroying the South and they would 'lose their country' if the South fails to achieve her independence. It was almost as if slavery was nothing to do with the war and the Confederates were good and humble down-to-earth folks who just wanted to free from racist Yankee invaders.

Yeah, I liked battles and a 19th-century vibe, but come on now, you don't need to either lie or exaggerate how good the Confederates were and belittle the Union as if they were a bunch of thieves to make a good Civil War film. I understand that some people thoroughly enjoyed the film since it represented 'their prospective of the war', but for me, It was painful to watch the film. And I doubt the public loved that particular portrayal of the Confederates either. I believe it was one of reasons why the movie was a commercially failure.
While we're at it, it would help if the ANV actually looked like the ANV instead of an outfit lining up for senior discounts at the local theater. Cold Mountain at least got that right by hiring the Romanian Army.
 

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You touch on some important points. Gettysburg and G&G both suffered from 1940's/1950's effects. Films/HBO series like Private Ryan, Band of Brothers and Pacific changed that - IMHO, permanently. (Added note: Can we figure out a way for field piece to actually recoil when they're fired?) 'The two Maxwell movies just didn't come close. I'll leave aside the other massive issues with G&G, which I found to be abysmal for a slew of reasons.
Field pieces that don’t recoil is a big issue for me, it happens in every movie, it’s simple physics, for every action there’s an opposite and equal reaction...we need recoil and we need it now. 👍 :cannon:
 

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You touch on some important points. Gettysburg and G&G both suffered from 1940's/1950's effects. Films/HBO series like Private Ryan, Band of Brothers and Pacific changed that - IMHO, permanently. (Added note: Can we figure out a way for field piece to actually recoil when they're fired?) 'The two Maxwell movies just didn't come close. I'll leave aside the other massive issues with G&G, which I found to be abysmal for a slew of reasons.
Yep, I’ll never forget the movie Battle of the Bulge M47 tanks pretending to be King Tigers and M24’s pretending to be Sherman tanks, abysmal, todays audiences seem to be better informed and stuff like that just doesn’t work anymore and so it is with civil war movies, Gettysburg, anyone else notice that not a single leaf or branch was disturbed during the defence of little round top and why was the General warren statue visible during the fighting at little round top, okay, I’m being picky but I dislike anything that suspends belief.
 
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Just my humble opinion but if you want to see a Gettysburg mini-series or movie that attracts an audience then follow the same principles as Band of Brothers or Saving Private Ryan, give us ‘the ‘audience’ characters that we can identify with, put us in a position where we experience a wide range of emotions, fire our imagination so that we want to learn more. I mean, who didn’t identify with with private Upham and his loss of innocence!

The movie audience of today are a far more discerning bunch than they were even 10 years ago, perhaps we’ve become desensitised to blood, gore and horror but the truth is, war is a nasty and vicious business, perhaps it’s time to show us the horror of war, take us back in time to Gettysburg and don’t sugarcoat it, I’m not talking about gratuitous violence nobody wants to see that but it would really help to see a movie about the civil war that didn’t gloss over the reality, hardship and horrors of war.
Okay, I’m not an American but your civil war is your history, it happened and it shaped a nation, every time a lame movie is made I think it does a massive disservice to the American people. You’d think that someone somewhere would want to tell an accurate story of those young men and their families, warts and all.
Before I end my rant, I think it’s worth saying that I think Gettysburg is an awesome movie but it’s definitely lacking something, time for a remake perhaps!
Just noticed you changed your avatar—going to be tough to take you seriously now lol.
It is still too “talky” imo(the film)
 

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Yep, I’ll never forget the movie Battle of the Bulge M47 tanks pretending to be King Tigers and M24’s pretending to be Sherman tanks, abysmal, todays audiences seem to be better informed and stuff like that just doesn’t work anymore and so it is with civil war movies, Gettysburg, anyone else notice that not a single leaf or branch was disturbed during the defence of little round top and why was the General warren statue visible during the fighting at little round top, okay, I’m being picky but I dislike anything that suspends belief.
The Sherman’s lined up firing from a line of sand dunes in Belgium without any snow
 

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Field pieces that don’t recoil is a big issue for me, it happens in every movie, it’s simple physics, for every action there’s an opposite and equal reaction...we need recoil and we need it now. 👍 :cannon:
I'll admit - it's an obsession for me. Everybody has at least one.
 
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The only way I can ever see The Last Full Measure being convincingly made is if another film maker went back and did a more faithful adaptation of Gods and Generals.
At this point I would break the previous-movies connection as completely as possible. Concentrate on the Lee vs Grant angle, borrow from the parts of the book that best illustrate the dilemmas of the respective commanders and follow, say, Gordon and Chamberlain (new actor of course), culminating in their likely apocryphal but 'great story' ending at Appomattox. Also follow a Confederate and a Union private, Wicked Spring style - and ram home the tragedy of war by killing one or both after the audience has seen them through several harrowing episodes. (Maybe even research into the actual last soldiers on each side to die on April 9, just hours before going home becomes possible for everyone else. The underlying theme - our Civil War was a tremendously important piece of our history but may we never have another...)
But the real problem is you need a mini-series rather than a single film to tell a convincing story about a whole year of war and keep the thing moving. I think that's the real reason Gettysburg was more successful than Gods and Generals - the greater coherence of a tighter story arc.

Sigh. Not very likely to happen in any form, I guess. :frown:
 

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I think there is one movie that gets this right:

Oops. That's a good step up because they do get the recoil right, and the results are realistic - but unless I'm hallucinating I think I saw a block trail in there. If I recall correctly, the block trail wasn't even conceived until c. 1780 and was developed by a combination of Desagulier and Congreve into the early 1790.s. It was not fully adopted by the RA until the Napoleonic wars. Until then the danged carriage moved the weight of the entire contraption back from the tube, interfered with turning radius, and kept "mobile" out of the description of field artillery.
 
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... and why was the General warren statue visible during the fighting at little round top, okay, I’m being picky but I dislike anything that suspends belief.
The movie wasn't filmed on LRT. What you saw in the movie was portraying GK Warren striking a pose like his statue. Of course, he had been there and gone by the time the scene supposedly took place.

Like I always say, if you let yourself be put-off by historical inaccuracies, you'll never enjoy any movie set further in the past than last month. It's entertainment, not history. Like sci-fi or fantasy, it's time to "suspend disbelief," and just enjoy the ride.

They're fun to see, though. The website Moviemistakes.com shows mistakes of all kinds for just about all movies: like the one you showed of the little slave kid with the digital watch in Glory.
 
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