Just bought Musket

RSMorris

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Good afternoon,

I bought this musket to use for a presentation I do on Confederate gravesites in the county I live. THe pics are from the images from the company I bought it from. It should be arriving at my house in a few days and can take closer up pics if requested. I know it is very worn and has erosion around the nipple and the end of the bore. I was told it is a M1816 smoothbore converted to percussion and made by L. Pomeroy in 1838. It is missing the middle band but I have already found an original (expensive little bugger) and it is on the way.

A few questions:

1. I know it is was made in 1838, when would the conversion to percussion have taken place? Is there anything that would normally be stamped to gie that info.

2. I don't know if it is a Civil War musket (either side) but the heavy wear would make one think so. Opinions?

3. Is this 1816 design a product of Springfield or H.P. or were they the builder of this design? So where would Pomeroy fit in with this? Were they a contractor to build these and if so a contractor for who?

4. I have never seen a musket other than in pictures, but most I have seen have darker stock. What would account for the lighter colored stock or is it perfectly normal and I am imagining things.

I am sure I will have other questions once I receive it. I know it will never fire again I just liked it for the rough look. Looks like it has a few tales to tell.
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ucvrelics

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Nice looking old war horse. Pomeroy was located in Pittsfield, Mass and had contracts to produce theses muskets and produced a lot of them between 1817 and 1836. It should be marked L Pomeroy under the Eagle and is a type 3. It has the Belgian cone conversion probably done between 1855 and 61. It still has the cartouches so I would say the lighter wood is from being in the sun for a long time.
 

RSMorris

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Nice looking old war horse. Pomeroy was located in Pittsfield, Mass and had contracts to produce theses muskets and produced a lot of them between 1817 and 1836. It should be marked L Pomeroy under the Eagle and is a type 3. It has the Belgian cone conversion probably done between 1855 and 61. It still has the cartouches so I would say the lighter wood is from being in the sun for a long time.
Ok, that brings up a question. Supposedly this one was made in 1838, yet it says L. Pomeroy. Did they actually make any beyond 1836? Little things like this keep me up at night.
 

RSMorris

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Well your counterpane cartouche is JH for Joseph Hannis. The one in front of butt tang I'm taking a stab at HKC for Henry K. Craig, but don't bet the farm on that one

I looked up Henry K. Craig. he was Chief of Ordinance Interesting fellow. It says in 1848 until 1851 he was inspector of arsenals. So he would be the H.K.C. So I guess that would mean that cartouche would have been applied 1848 and 1851?.
 

RSMorris

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Then its not a model 1816 but a model 1835/1840

So if the plate on the side, don't know what you call it is after 1836 this it is not a 1816. Huh... I'm not questioning you just trying to wrap my head around it. The dealer I got this from even listed it as a Model 1816. Will do some more research on this. I have seen several others (pics) that have the same anomaly, 1838 L. Pomeroy on the side plate but they are still calling it a Model 1816
 

ucvrelics

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So if the plate on the side, don't know what you call it is after 1836 this it is not a 1816. Huh... I'm not questioning you just trying to wrap my head around it. The dealer I got this from even listed it as a Model 1816. Will do some more research on this. I have seen several others (pics) that have the same anomaly, 1838 L. Pomeroy on the side plate but they are still calling it a Model 1816
It called a lock-plate. This may help as the type 3's can be all over the place and confusing.
 

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RSMorris

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The profile of the butt stock on the musket in the OP photos is that of a Model 1816, not an 1835/40.

Thank you. Should be getting this tomorrow. Will look for other markings. Just curious why a M1816 Musket built by Pomeroy would be listed as a 1838 if Poemeroy quit building in 1836. Not that it matters just like to know these things.
 

johan_steele

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She’s an 1816 the side plate ids her. The 1838 is likely 1836. She looks very nice. The blonde wood though with those crisp car touches is curious. I would apply a couple coats of Kramer’s Best. If she doesn’t start to darken up I would ask someone who knows wood to take a hard look. Then I might start asking questions of the seller. Unless the price was real good that is.
 
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