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This is my prized possesion, the first military button I have ever dug. What is also super ultra magnum rare about it, is that J.E.B. Stuart and his staff visited the house that I dug this button at three times during the war. The possibility of this being off of one of his staff officers coats is unbelievable, but I have some questions.


Is there any known uniform with this button on it?

Is there any known photographs of a soldier wearing a coat with this on it?
 

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This is my prized possesion, the first military button I have ever dug. What is also super ultra magnum rare about it, is that J.E.B. Stuart and his staff visited the house that I dug this button at three times during the war. The possibility of this being off of one of his staff officers coats is unbelievable, but I have some questions.


Is there any known uniform with this button on it?

Is there any known photographs of a soldier wearing a coat with this on it?
JEB is a distant relative of mine. Do you have a photo of the house?
 
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We know all there is know about this button as the young man posted it after he dug. What he trying to determine is have we ever seen a uniform or photo of someone wearing a coat with this button. Due to its location and the fact that JEB was there he is trying to see if maybe its from one of his staff which is a stretch but you never know. IMHO the button above is a CS staff officer buttons for lower grade staff, major or Lt. Col as MOST of the time when you made Col you got you a new set of uniforms with the big ole droop wing eagle CS staff officers buttons.
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We know all there is know about this button as the young man posted it after he dug. What he trying to determine is have we ever seen a uniform or photo of someone wearing a coat with this button. Due to its location and the fact that JEB was there he is trying to see if maybe its from one of his staff which is a stretch but you never know. IMHO the button above is a CS staff officer buttons for lower grade staff, major or Lt. Col as MOST of the time when you made Col you got you a new set of uniforms with the big ole droop wing eagle CS staff officers buttons.

To say it is from Jeb's staff is a stretch, but it is cool to think about. I've just been looking for months on end for a uniform with these buttons on it, to no avail.

I talked to another digger who found one of these buttons, and he said, that these were custom made buttons, from a Virginia button maker for possibly a small group of officers as a single order. I'm not sure about that, but because there are about 40 known, that's not too far a stretch.
 
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They did not setup button dies for just a few. Granted it is a VERY Rare button, his story of CUSTOM made is a little out there. Did you ever post the back of this button in your other thread?
The back has a smooshed shank, but it's covered in dirt. I never cleaned it.

That makes sense about the custom order thing. Questions, questions...
 
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This is my prized possesion, the first military button I have ever dug. What is also super ultra magnum rare about it, is that J.E.B. Stuart and his staff visited the house that I dug this button at three times during the war. The possibility of this being off of one of his staff officers coats is unbelievable, but I have some questions.


Is there any known uniform with this button on it?

Is there any known photographs of a soldier wearing a coat with this on it?
Certainly can't say for sure, but looks to be field cast, especially since it is a one piece button. Can you tell what material it is made? Since it is not convex and appears flat, it looks to be a copy of a CS233A1 (Tice), not die struck, but field cast.
 
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It is flat, but I believe it is that way because it was squashed.

The back has what looks like a smooshed shank, but I'm not entirely sure. It is brass.

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Seeing the back, now leads me to believe that this was smashed contemporary with the period, either by a wagon or artillery piece, even by a horse hoof. Your button does appear to be a CS233A1 that was once concave but flattened.

Extremely nice find!
 
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Seeing the back, now leads me to believe that this was smashed contemporary with the period, either by a wagon or artillery piece, even by a horse hoof. Your button does appear to be a CS233A1 that was once concave but flattened.

Extremely nice find!

I hope you don't mind my asking, but what points it to looking like CS233A1?
 

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Yes, and now some time to pull out the photos of all the confederate troops that may have the appropriate article! I think Rossiter Johnson's 'Campfires and Battlefields' had a bunch of photos, but now I am not sure which book it may be found; Miller's?
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Yes, and now some time to pull out the photos of all the confederate troops that may have the appropriate article! I think Rossiter Johnson's 'Campfires and Battlefields' had a bunch of photos, but now I am not sure which book it may be found; Miller's?
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So there is a photo of a uniform with this button on it somewhere?
 

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So there is a photo of a uniform with this button on it somewhere?
I am terrible at identification, my eye always missing pertinent details. I was presuming the button could be found among the numerous photos that were collected historically. But do not dash your hopes, for so much now can still be discovered.
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