Restricted Debate Is Lost Cause a real thing or not?

lurid

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You can get a good book on the Compromise of 1877. To get out of Reconstruction, Southern Democrats split with the Northern Democrats and ratified the 76 Election to give Hays the Election. Republicans promised capital improvements and investment. Republicans hoped to sway the Southern Whig element into the Republican Party. Southern Democrats do cross over and vote with the Republicans when it helps them. But the Republicans don’t get the shift they wanted.
I'll take your word for it for the reasons and motives. Nevertheless, the south's voting record was predominantly for the democratic party for over 100 years. Edited.
 

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WJC

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Our Community Guidelines prohibit the discussion of modern politics. Any posts which introduce 20th/21st- century politics into this discussion will be edited or deleted.
 

jgoodguy

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Let us try to keep the discussions to the period prior to 1869.
Texas v White is the last word on secession.
There is a very friendly forum for reconstruction with an active host.

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19thGeorgia

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Even the Confederate leadership of the time knew that the Founders wanted the gradual end of slavery.

Alexander Stephens quoted in the newspaper The Southern Confederacy, eight days before the Cornerstone speech, March 13th, 1861, emphasis mine:

"Another grand difference between the old and new Constitution was this, said Mr. Stephens, in the old Constitution the Fathers looked upon the fallacy of the equality of races as underlying the foundations of republican liberty. Jefferson, Madison, and Washington, and many others, were tender of the word Slave in the organic law, and all looked forward to the time when the Institution of Slavery should be removed from our midst as a trouble and a stumbling block. This delusion could not be traced in any of the component parts of the Southern Constitution. In that instrument we solemnly discarded the pestilent heresy of fancy politicians, that all men, of all races, were equal, and we had made African inequality and subordination, and the equality of white men, the chief cornerstone of the Southern Republic."

Here's the actual page digitized and preserved:
https://gahistoricnewspapers.galileo.usg.edu/lccn/sn82014677/1861-03-13/ed-1/seq-2.pdf


The quote comes about 3/4 of the way down the first column.
Well, your response doesn’t fit in their time line in history. Slavery was legal in America then. I don’t think it is moral to ship someone to another continent because one does not want them mixing with Whites.
Just a year later- from a report on colonization approved by the United States Congress:

"It is useless, now, to enter upon any philosophical inquiry whether nature has or has not made the negro inferior to the Caucasian. The belief is indelibly fixed upon the public mind that such inequality does exist. There are irreconcilable differences between the two races which separate them, as with a wall of fire. There is no instance afforded us in history where liberated slaves, even of the same race, have lived any considerable period in harmony with their former masters when denied equality with them in social and political privileges. But the Anglo American never will give his consent that the negro, no matter how free, shall be elevated to such equality. It matters not how wealthy, how intelligent, or how morally meritorious the negro may become, so long as he remains among us the recollection of the former relation of master and slave will be perpetuated by the changeless color of the Ethiop's skin, and that color will alike be perpetuated by the degrading tradition of his former bondage."

Lincoln said basically the same thing at a reception of a committee of free black men at the White House:
"Perhaps you have long been free, or all your lives. Your race are suffering, in my judgment, the greatest wrong inflicted on any people. But even when you cease to be slaves, you are yet far removed from being placed on an equality with the white race. You are cut off from many of the advantages which the other race enjoys. The aspiration of men is to enjoy equality with the best when free, but on this broad continent not a single man of your race is made the equal of a single man of ours."
 
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