Is Gregory G. Newson wrong about his account of 65,000 black confederates

jgoodguy

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Unless someone can prove, Gregory G. Newson wrong his account of 65,000 black confederates with citations remains unchallenged. Waiting....
Please discuss.

http://www.gettysburgtimes.com/news/local/article_f72026ec-6c1c-55c2-b719-f87d5c2c8afa.html ***link added by Lnwlf ***

For reference, see the related spreadsheets "CWT Black Confederates"
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hcTP3nLffyCIA-ReGaoK-ykdtGTE5g5AHYyWA8a9al4/edit#gid=0
and "CWT Black & Mulatto Men with CSA Service Records"
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lMwLryB3saMN0WhqrplSev1hjTVOuqL_g7BmTXURVEE/edit#gid=0

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Indeed, no evidence has even been submitted that Mr. Newson claimed that.

All we have, anywhere in the forums, is Mint Julep's assertion that Mr. Newson asserted that there were 65,000 black Confederates and provided citations to that effect.

To even begin to consider this, we would need something like "Gregory G. Newson, in his book XXXXXXX......" or "....in this YouTube video....."
 
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Indeed, no evidence has even been submitted that Mr. Newson claimed that.

All we have, anywhere in the forums, is Mint Julep's assertion that Mr. Newson asserted that there were 65,000 black Confederates and provided citations to that effect.

To even begin to consider this, we would need something like "Gregory G. Newson, in his book XXXXXXX......" or "....in this YouTube video....."
Newson wrote it in the Gettysburg Times.
 

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The OP is of the form since no one can prove Mr. Newson wrong, then his assertion is unchallenged.
When a person is not willing to accept very very basic rules about how historical work is done and how it is debated. Then he is of no use on a serious forum like this.

You prove a positive, not a negative.
 
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Here's the original source of the 65,000 claim. This figure is based upon upon the assumption that the Steiner's report on Jackson's troops at Frederick was representative of all CS units (not exactly the best evidence IMO). That report has been extensively discussed in other threads on this forum.
 

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written by someone who clearly don't know how to do basic historical work.

We have a report from one person. Who make a judgement that is not supported by anyone else and that can have a number of other interpretations.

Then this number is used to argue that this was the case in the entire CSA military.

Anyone who had 5 minutes of instruction in historical method would tell you that you can't use a single source in this way.
 
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Mr. Newsom is not an eye witness to the events he claims occurred. Instead his claim is based on a mathematical projection of someone else's flawed account. To the people who want to believe him, that is sufficient. Others are skeptical that there was not a 19th century account which established the existence of black army units.
The problem with this assertion is that it is directly contradicted by other efforts to bar blacks and even creoles from Confederate military service until March of 1865.
Since none of us saw that what Newsom claims did not exist, we can only rely on other evidence which demonstrates the Confederate government engaged in substantial efforts to prevent what Newsom claimed happened.
 



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