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"I Rode With Stonewall" by Henry Kyd Douglas

Discussion in 'Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson' started by James N., Nov 1, 2016.

  1. mkyzzzrdet

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    Rob - some very interesting observations, and you may well be right. I can't find my copy of the book, though, and I was wondering something. The points you make are certainly valid, but Douglas was a veteran soldier and staff officer. Wouldn't he have surely known about all the difficulties crossing the creek?
    Was Douglas referring to someplace else further from the bridge? Has the terrain changed since the war?
     

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  3. Rob9641

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    Douglas might just have been the guy from the other side denigrating the Union forces. I haven't read the book so I can't comment beyond that, and that's just a guess, too.

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    Well, then, you ought to read it. Seriously.

    BTW, I was in one of the country's most prominent and successful booksellers, two or three years ago now and found that Kyd Douglas' I Road With Stonewall, is still in print. You shouldn't have any trouble finding a very modern addition for sale. Or a used one, or a library loaner.
     
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    A seven year-old, eh? I appreciate that you volunteer there and know the terrain. Thank you for doing it.

    But, do you have 1862 experience with Antietam Creek? One hundred fifty years of moving water and "preservation effort" can have a huge impact on what it looks like today.

    That "a squad" tried to cross and got shot dead I have no doubt, but moving forces in column across the bridge in the face of Confederates on much higher ground was not a solution to this problem, as history shows.

    I'm not ready to dismiss Henry Kyd Douglas' judgement on this issue.
     
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    I don't know if this was what you meant or not, but the picture is a detail from the well-known and often-reproduced photo montage of Jackson and his staff:

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    This could be where I got the photo. It looks the same just a different color. Thanks. I try to keep a link to every photo but sometimes I fail.
     
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    I noted up thread that Kyd Douglas' book was displayed in front of me in reprint form at a major bookseller, a few years back.

    His picture was on the cover, taken from this photograph, apparently. The 2013 edition of I Rode with Stonewall is still available, here. Look for yourselves.

    That this book is an enjoyable read is in my opinion confirmed by our own contemporary publishers and book sellers, willing to give it a go. Potential readers needn't be hard core period enthusiasts to enjoy it.

    It's just a good-natured account of one man's experience, who knew about everyone and went about everywhere.
     
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    Jackson found him handy. i bet he was a boon while in maryland.
     
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    This is Douglas' prewar home just across the river from Shepherdstown. You can enter the grounds but its not open for visitors. It is being used for something else, and I forget what. James can fill us in. I think the columns were not prewar. James?
     
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    Douglas final resting place in Shepherdstown, WV, just across the Potomac from his old home.
     
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    The only 1862 experience I have is comparing the photos to what I see in front of me and times I have been IN the creek in the past. Gardiner's photos taken days after the battle show a creek that is a bit higher than it currently is (it's really down right now because of lack of rain). The approach into the creek (for the Union), right below the bridge, was and still is a more gentle slope than the sides at other locations, but the way out at that point, and the other banks around the bridge area, were and are steep. They have a good 8-10 foot drop, and the creek has not carved that much out of that ground in 150 years. You can tell from the old photos.

    Years ago. I took part in a water quality study of the creek and had to wade in about 50 yards downstream of Burnside Bridge. It was VERY shallow at the time there - barely got up to my ankles. Still, I would not have wanted to run across the water at that point. Very slippery, and getting down to it from the western short was no easy chore either. If they got in there, Union soldiers would have to have climbed out the way I went in - very difficult.

    And let's not forget, they are being shot at. I think the best evidence is that some tried, and all died.

    Believe Douglas if you like, but I dismiss his assessment. He's just wrong.
     
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