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Daily Intelligencer, Oct. 17, 1867 -- page 2
So I can denounce Forrest as a murderer, a perjurer, a traitor, and a coward hiding behind a mask? Interesting quote, shows Forrest hadn't learned to control his temper in peacetime.
Besides which, unless Forrest was a total ignoramus and fool (which I doubt) he knew two things: first Tennessee banned dueling early on (Jackson had to go to Kentucky to fight his duels) plus Article IX of the 1835 constitution had the following:
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So Forrest knew that the Mayor couldn't in affect, accept his challange.
It does sound that way to our ears. It makes me chuckle. But, obviously, it did not make the accused gentleman chuckle. I wonder which was worse: "puppy" or "scoundrel"? I think if Forrest could have gotten his wits about him on the spur of the moment, he might have come up with something a bit more biting than "puppy". But, of course, the world was a different place then. Nowadays, if someone called me a puppy, I'd probably say thank you. Back then, who knows?......."I denounce you as a puppy" sounds like something out of Monty Python.
It does sound that way to our ears. It makes me chuckle. But, obviously, it did not make the accused gentleman chuckle. I wonder which was worse: "puppy" or "scoundrel"? I think if Forrest could have gotten his wits about him on the spur of the moment, he might have come up with something a bit more biting than "puppy". But, of course, the world was a different place then. Nowadays, if someone called me a puppy, I'd probably say thank you. Back then, who knows?.......
Where does he challenge him to a duel?
"I denounce you as a puppy" sounds like something out of Monty Python.
Yes, I know. We're referring to the lapdog that is totally needy, totally obedient to someone else, and who frequently gets excited and becomes incontinent. So I understand the insult, but it still makes me chuckle. That's because I tend to think of puppies as those adorable, fluffy, tail-wagging, slobbering, sacks of mush that make most people so darned happy nowadays. Obviously, I have difficulty seeing (or I should say "feeling") the insult in the times and relevance that it was thrown down. I am a victim of my own time in that regard.Puppy as an insult goes at least back to Shakespeare. It meant facile, ineffectual...someone's lapdog. It seems to have been a favorite of Forrest.
"You lied, and you know it, you perjured scoundrel" were sufficient fightin' words! I'd like to see a little more on what this was about - I believe it may have been a bond deal to repair streets in Memphis and the city stiffed Forrest. Not sure!
Yeah...this was over the paving contract. Forrest had completed quite a bit of the work and was paid in city bonds that were not worth what he had been promised. He lost a lot of money since he had paid for material and labor and he could get less than 50% the face value of the bonds in NY. He ultimately gave up the contract when the city refused to make different payment arrangements. This deal helped drive him to bankruptcy a little later.
Yes, I know. We're referring to the lapdog that is totally needy, totally obedient to someone else, and who frequently gets excited and becomes incontinent. So I understand the insult, but it still makes me chuckle. That's because I tend to think of puppies as those adorable, fluffy, tail-wagging, slobbering, sacks of mush that make most people so darned happy nowadays. Obviously, I have difficulty seeing (or I should say "feeling") the insult in the times and relevance that it was thrown down. I am a victim of my own time in that regard.
So I can denounce Forrest as a murderer, a perjurer, a traitor, and a coward hiding behind a mask? Interesting quote, shows Forrest hadn't learned to control his temper in peacetime.
Besides which, unless Forrest was a total ignoramus and fool (which I doubt) he knew two things: first Tennessee banned dueling early on (Jackson had to go to Kentucky to fight his duels) plus Article IX of the 1835 constitution had the following:
Disqualifications
Article IX lists three groups of people who are barred from various privileges:
The exact wording is:
- Ministers of any religion may not sit as legislators because they "ought not be diverted from the great duties of their functions." (Section 1)
- Atheists may not perform any office in the government (Although Section 4 of Article I, banning any religious test for any "office of public trust" seemingly would make this hard to enforce) (Section 2)
- Anyone having anything to do with a duel may not hold any "honor or profit" under the state's government and is liable to be punished otherwise (Section 3)
Disqualifications.
Section 3.
Any person who shall, after the adoption of this Constitution,
fight a duel, or knowingly be the bearer of a challenge to fight a duel, or send or
accept a challenge for that purpose, or be an aider or abettor in fighting a duel,
shall be deprived of the right to hold any office of honor or profit in this state,
and shall be punished otherwise, in such manner as the Legislature may pre-
scribe
It should be noted that the restrictions on ministers and atheists have been deemed to be unenforceable due to the interpretations of the Supreme Court of the United States with regard to the First and Fourteenth Amendments to the United States Constitution.
from: http://www.ask.com/wiki/Constitutio...oubleDown&an=apn&ap=ask.com#Disqualifications
So Forrest knew that the Mayor couldn't in affect, accept his challange.
It helps to do research. Of course I really dislike Forrest.