Stiles/Akin
Sergeant Major
- Joined
- Apr 1, 2016
- Location
- Atlanta, Georgia
Did you miss the part about the families wishes? Does the SCV own the boyhood home? I went to the Hunley Crews funeral and William Thomas Overby re-interment. All things considered its better than the City of Memphis calling the shots.(Insert image of me screaming and cussing like a sailor here for 30 minutes straight and for the second time in the same month ready to plant my foot somewhere in the SCV leadership)
Once more who cares of the General's wishes, and once more his family has proven themselves disgraces to his noble name! Elm ------- Springs!!!!! Oh and we're gonna have a ribbon cutting at the museum, and the "Mechanized Cavalry" disgraces, a big biker gang that congregates under the SCV's banner while emulating NONE of the values our ancestors had will be the escort. As someone who's been exposed to the "Mech Cav" I can say I've only known one guy in there who wasn't an embarrassment.
Here's a nice idea, WHY NOT BURY HIM AT HIS BOYHOOD HOME! But no way we got to put him at Elm Springs so the Mech Cav can have a most likely nice booze filled biker ride for some of them and plant him there for profit. You can't tell me that ain't the idea!!!!!!!! I've been in the SCV too long.
Just yesterday, ( https://civilwartalk.com/threads/gr...onument-tx-confederate-heros-day-2020.167711/) a good friend of mine and I were talking about the odd focus by our leadership on the Mech Cav, I guess we know why now!
Plus for me, this doubly ticks me off because I've already committed myself and meager resources to go to the Shiloh CWT Gathering and this probably puts me out of going to Forrest's third funeral. I was hoping we'd have at least another year before this funeral.
They talk wanting to emulate the Hunley Crews funeral and say they won't do anything like it in the same breath! To the moderators and my CWT friends, I apologize, but I'm thoroughly ticked off by this. Now I must take initiative and reach out and volunteer my SCV brigade's color guard 's help and participation in this travesty without consulting my superior because he'll wait too long and then get on to me and thank me in the same sentence. I'm a good second in command like that.
Did you miss the part about the families wishes? Does the SCV own the boyhood home? I went to the Hunley Crews funeral and William Thomas Overby re-interment. All things considered its better than the City of Memphis calling the shots.
I am sure they should have checked with you first. It is what it is. Being a person who has devoted his time to replace every monument taken down by ANTIFA and hate groups you are often left with decisions like this.I heard it which is why I said they've disgraced themselves again, and put in bold.
I'm well aware that the city he loved is dead and replaced with a disgrace, I also know of the impracticality of putting him back in the place he made it clear where he wanted to be laid to rest. But would it not be better, or rather more proper, to lay him to rest in a place he knew and loved, much like his Memphis, rather than a completely different place practically unknown to him?
Its not written in stone he has to laid to rest in a place the SCV owns, and I think his boyhood home would be a perfectly suitable, and safe place to plant him. Its also not written in stone that statue has to be over him. He was the type who didn't want such extravagances, that's part of what made him great. I think it more in the spirit of his wishes, but once again his family has said who cares.
FIRST I commit my body after death to my family and friends with the request that it may be entered among the Confederate dead in the Elmwood Cemetery near the City of Memphis, it being my desire that my remains shall rest with those of the brave men, men who were my comrades in war and shared with me the danger and peril of battle fields fighting in a cause we believed it our duty to uphold and maintain.
This mess of the family, just how are they related? I've always read his line died out with Nathan Bedford Forrest III. Besides, his family are the numbskulls whos set this mess up in 190?.
I am sure they should have checked with you first. It is what it is. Being a person who has devoted his time to replace every monument taken down by ANTIFA and hate groups you are often left with decisions like this.
Well after my furious rant, I indulged myself and got a little sleep, and calmed down.... Now I'm ticked off again.
I never said they ought to check with me, I think they should've checked with the General and had some sense.
I'll support them whatever they do, and do with a smile, but that doesn't mean I have to like their thought processes or keep it too myself. I'll question the wisdom or lack thereof however I wish. I don't know where its written that I have to be unquestionably loyal. Best loyalty comes from those who question what's going on and ain't afraid to speak up, even if they're absolutely livid. All I heard in the Commanders comments was what "we" and "they" want, never what General Forrest would want, and I think he made his positions clear long ago. Whether at his boyhood home, or in a Confederate cemetery with men who fought beside him I think would have been more proper. Not at an organizations headquarters and a museum. The way things keep going he'll have to be moved again in a hundred years when the SCV's positions have changed, or ceases to be and someone anti-Forrest comes along again.
I would've thought that common sense and decency, but apparently I ain't got no sense by the way things look.
Possibly by Anti Forrest SCV Members. What was your common sense solution? Greenspace and the city wanted it moved. The family sought a resolution. The SCV does not own the boyhood home. The thing we are talking about here is money. You could carry out what you think Forrest's wishes were if you had enough money. In Rome, Georgia haters wanting to attack Forrest sawed of the hands of the Rome monument located within the cemetery. This monument will be replaced in March. The enemies of Forrest are many and they have no regard for his funeral wishes or his monument. The saying about not casting your pearls before swine applied. To protect a monument or Forrest's memory I would gladly have it moved.Well after my furious rant, I indulged myself and got a little sleep, and calmed down.... Now I'm ticked off again.
I never said they ought to check with me, I think they should've checked with the General and had some sense.
I'll support them whatever they do, and do with a smile, but that doesn't mean I have to like their thought processes or keep it too myself. I'll question the wisdom or lack thereof however I wish. I don't know where its written that I have to be unquestionably loyal. Best loyalty comes from those who question what's going on and ain't afraid to speak up, even if they're absolutely livid. All I heard in the Commanders comments was what "we" and "they" want, never what General Forrest would want, and I think he made his positions clear long ago. Whether at his boyhood home, or in a Confederate cemetery with men who fought beside him I think would have been more proper. Not at an organizations headquarters and a museum. The way things keep going he'll have to be moved again in a hundred years when the SCV's positions have changed, or ceases to be and someone anti-Forrest comes along again.
I would've thought that common sense and decency, but apparently I ain't got no sense by the way things look.
Possibly by Anti Forrest SCV Members. What was your common sense solution? Greenspace and the city wanted it moved. The family sought a resolution. The SCV does not own the boyhood home. The thing we are talking about here is money. You could carry out what you think Forrest's wishes were if you had enough money. In Rome, Georgia haters wanting to attack Forrest sawed of the hands of the Rome monument located within the cemetery. This monument will be replaced in March. The enemies of Forrest are many and they have no regard for his funeral wishes or his monument. The saying about not casting your pearls before swine applied. To protect a monument or Forrest's memory I would gladly have it moved. View attachment 342870View attachment 342871
Considering the boyhood home isnt restored and isnt generally open to the public, no idea why one would want a public figure or monument to go where it cant be visited........From its site doesn't seem to have even a projected completion date, which i would imagine means adequate funds for the restoration haven't been procured.I think I've made my common sense solution awfully plain. Both here and in other threads. Who cares if the SCV owns his boyhood home! Plus I just did some looking an learning and guess what, we both had it wrong, because the SCV does own his boyhood home!
I've said it many, many times, please read what I type before attacking me or else the moderators will be down on us both. Something I'm sure we both want to avoid.
His boyhood home, or a Confederate cemetery where his men are buried out in the country.
Elm Springs is a horrible solution, not only for him having no connection there, but because in case you haven't noticed the membership is aging and dying off. I'm 30 years old and the youngest member of my Camp, the youngest in all the surrounding Camps, next youngest to me and one close friend near my age is 20 years older than us, and the membership everywhere has an attitude that they don't want new blood. Read my original post in this booming thread for more information- https://civilwartalk.com/threads/does-anyone-else-get-sick-of-it.167278/
Here's the most likely chain of events with him at Elm Springs, in Columbia, TN a city with a population of 35,000. In 20 to 30 years if the SCV doesn't straighten its act up it will cease to exist due to lack of membership, and Columbia will expand as the population does, probably with a lot of anti-CSA folks coming in. His grave and monument will offend them, and there will be no SCV to defend it or worse its version then will have a different view of him or no backbone. Afterwards, this whole travesty will unfold again, and there won't be no happy ending, given what happened to a certain group of evil people our enemies compare Forrest to, and what happened to their bodies, I genuinely fear a similar fate if that comes to be. It's something to be dreaded because the most radical of our enemies already calling for his remains to be destroyed. For all we know that could be a mainstream philosophy in 30 years.
How many times must this drama play out? Our leaders are making the exact same mistake Forrest's own son Willie made. Their disregarding his wishes and planting him and his wife somewhere without looking to the future and planning for it. His boyhood home, out in the country where no city and the ilk that comes with it, (politically speaking) is likely to touch him, or at a Confederate cemetery out in country as well, where he can rest among his comrades in war as he wished, are the best solutions to head off those potential future threats. One coming to my mind being Brice's Crossroads. Not where this will happen again as it will at Elm Springs. Even the smallest percentage of future threats should be avoided.
Now please read everything I've typed thoroughly because I'm not totally sure you have, and let us end this argument before we, (both of us are guilty at this point) go too far off the rails and ruin a thread that should be better than that. I'm sorry if I've ticked you off with my views and original rant, but they are not anti-Forrest, not even anti-SCV they are of grave concern at this point and the most pro-Forrest, and to me the logical one, even if some find it treasonous.
Rusk County, is that jacket the Columbus Depot design? Breckinridge's Kentuckians had gotten some from the Georgia quartermaster before being attached to Forrest's command. Kind of nice - dark green collars and sleeves, and the black and white fabric weave made a rather unusual grey. I usually don't know a cavalry jacket from a kitchen apron, but the making of that particular fabric interested me!
The jean cloth is a little less durable than denim, which was used in the famous levis pants.