infomanpa
1st Lieutenant
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I walked out into the area where General Farnsworth made his fatal charge. I am facing north. In front, you can see the Slyder farm. Behind me is Bushman Hill.
Thank you for posting the picture - what a waste of a life -
“Farnsworth spoke with emotion: “General, do you mean it? Shall I throw my handful of men over rough ground, through timber, against a brigade of infantry? The First Vermont has already been fought half to pieces; these are too good men to kill.” Kilpatrick said “Do you refuse to obey my orders? If you are afraid to lead this charge, I will lead it.” Farnsworth rose in his stirrups — he looked magnificent in his passion — and cried , “Take that back!” Kilpatrick returned his defiance, but soon repenting, said “I did not mean it; forget it.” For a moment there was silence, when Farnsworth spoke calmly, “General, if you order the charge, I will lead it, but you must take the responsibility.” {*}
What responsibility did Kilpatrick ever assume?
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Back in 2016, Eric was kind enough to take me to the location of Farnsworth’s monument. I had not found it previously. Standing at the location he fell gave me a real since of the hopelessness of the charge.
No, a small marker not far from the base of LRT that marks the spot Elon fell. @Eric Wittenberg can explain better.There is a Farnsworth monument? Maybe you are thinking of the 1st Vermont Cavalry or the Wells monument?
No, a small marker not far from the base of LRT that marks the spot Elon fell. @Eric Wittenberg can explain better.
Well @infomanpa you are correct. My memory is not what it use to be. Thanks Eric.Mike, you're thinking of the 1st Vermont Cavalry's monument. It specifically states that Farnsworth fell near that spot.
I walked out into the area where General Farnsworth made his fatal charge. I am facing north. In front, you can see the Slyder farm. Behind me is Bushman Hill.View attachment 370666
is that the spot where Farnsworth fell?I walked out into the area where General Farnsworth made his fatal charge. I am facing north. In front, you can see the Slyder farm. Behind me is Bushman Hill.View attachment 370666
No. That would be way to the right of the picture, near the 1st Vermont cavalry monument.is that the spot where Farnsworth fell?
No wonder his nickname was "Kill Cavalry."Incompetence is a word that comes to my mind when I read of Judson Kilpatrick. He was a combative individual who constantly self-promoted himself to reach the high levels of command, both in a military and political realm, that his egotism demanded. He always had the air of corruption and seediness about him and his entourage and was negligent in caring for his men and horses. I care little for the man.
Regards
David
You hit the nail on the head and prove at the same time the old saying that " acorns don't fall from the tree". i.e. Gloria and Anderson.Incompetence is a word that comes to my mind when I read of Judson Kilpatrick. He was a combative individual who constantly self-promoted himself to reach the high levels of command, both in a military and political realm, that his egotism demanded. He always had the air of corruption and seediness about him and his entourage and was negligent in caring for his men and horses. I care little for the man.
Regards
David
Farnsworth = Pyotr Rostov. Tolstoy covered it. The reality of war.Thank you for posting the picture - what a waste of a life -
“Farnsworth spoke with emotion: “General, do you mean it? Shall I throw my handful of men over rough ground, through timber, against a brigade of infantry? The First Vermont has already been fought half to pieces; these are too good men to kill.” Kilpatrick said “Do you refuse to obey my orders? If you are afraid to lead this charge, I will lead it.” Farnsworth rose in his stirrups — he looked magnificent in his passion — and cried , “Take that back!” Kilpatrick returned his defiance, but soon repenting, said “I did not mean it; forget it.” For a moment there was silence, when Farnsworth spoke calmly, “General, if you order the charge, I will lead it, but you must take the responsibility.” {*}
What responsibility did Kilpatrick ever assume?
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Incompetence does seem to be an adequate explanation. Allowing every military decision to become a personal contest of wills may have been part of it. The administration and the press criticizing the cavalry for lack of aggressiveness was part of it.Incompetence is a word that comes to my mind when I read of Judson Kilpatrick. He was a combative individual who constantly self-promoted himself to reach the high levels of command, both in a military and political realm, that his egotism demanded. He always had the air of corruption and seediness about him and his entourage and was negligent in caring for his men and horses. I care little for the man.
Regards
David
Agree with your train of thought. IMHO even more impressive is a military skill that does not condemn a decision, but offers a viable alternative in a "tactful tactical" way to be accepted by a superior.Incompetence does seem to be an adequate explanation. Allowing every military decision to become a personal contest of wills may have been part of it. The administration and the press criticizing the cavalry for lack of aggressiveness was part of it.
At some point a junior officer might have to tell the commanding general, if you don't want a hanging contest between Mosby's irregulars and the US cavalry, and you don't want residences burned, then maybe the US cavalry should be withdrawn from the upper Shenandoah Valley and used to fight regular uniformed Confederates. Maybe that will be the way to end the war, the junior officer commanding the cavalry might explain it to the commanding general. But I am guessing.Agree with your train of thought. IMHO even more impressive is a military skill that does not condemn a decision, but offers a viable alternative in a "tactful tactical" way to be accepted by a superior.