Discussion Thread: Black Southerners and the Confederate Cause--What the newspapers said: 1861-1865


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I copied your information below. The details of these two men and where they were are accurately related in the article, so that much of the story checks out. If we could read their report to Washington, in whatever form it took, that would be a key piece of supporting evidence.

Below are the two Union Soldiers from the 2nd U.S. Cavalry mentioned in the article.


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Lewis Thompson Enlisted as a Private in the 71st NY Militia on 4/12/1861. He mustered out on 7/30/1861 in New York, NY. On 2/19/1862. He was commissioned a 2nd Lieutenant into the U.S. Army 2nd Calvary. 1st Lieutenant 10/28/1862. POW at Brandy Station 6/9/1862. Captain by Brevet 6/21/1863. Major by Brevet 9/25/1865. Captain 7/28/1866. He was born in Pennsylvania. Died 7/19/1876.

Henry Erastus Noyes was born in Maine. Graduate USMA, 6/21/1861. Commissioned the same day a 2nd Lieutenant in the 2nd U.S. Cavalry. 1st Lt. 2/15/1862. Captain by Brevet 8/1/1863, Brandy Station, Virginia. Major 4/2/1865 by Brevet Selma, Alabama. Retired from the Army, 11/16/1901.
 
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I've been trying to locate the communication mentioned here in the March 16, 1863 Cleveland morning leader, with no success so far. "The matter has been communicated to the authorities at Washington."
If the article had mentioned observing those negro pickets receiving their government paychecks it would actually mean something. As it was, negroes held by the Confederate army did whatever the soldiers told them to do, dig latrine or stand picket. meh.
 
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I copied your information below. The details of these two men and where they were are accurately related in the article, so that much of the story checks out. If we could read their report to Washington, in whatever form it took, that would be a key piece of supporting evidence.

Below are the two Union Soldiers from the 2nd U.S. Cavalry mentioned in the article.


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Lewis Thompson Enlisted as a Private in the 71st NY Militia on 4/12/1861. He mustered out on 7/30/1861 in New York, NY. On 2/19/1862. He was commissioned a 2nd Lieutenant into the U.S. Army 2nd Calvary. 1st Lieutenant 10/28/1862. POW at Brandy Station 6/9/1862. Captain by Brevet 6/21/1863. Major by Brevet 9/25/1865. Captain 7/28/1866. He was born in Pennsylvania. Died 7/19/1876.

Henry Erastus Noyes was born in Maine. Graduate USMA, 6/21/1861. Commissioned the same day a 2nd Lieutenant in the 2nd U.S. Cavalry. 1st Lt. 2/15/1862. Captain by Brevet 8/1/1863, Brandy Station, Virginia. Major 4/2/1865 by Brevet Selma, Alabama. Retired from the Army, 11/16/1901.
The only place I would guess to look would be service records and those (US 2nd Cav) aren't available online. You would have to order a copy of their records (might be very large) or hire a private researcher to look through them for the relevant document. Even then it may not be there.
 
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The only place I would guess to look would be service records and those (US 2nd Cav) aren't available online. You would have to order a copy of their records (might be very large) or hire a private researcher to look through them for the relevant document. Even then it may not be there.
It might be possible to narrow the request down to a small range of dates and avoid the full records. Something to file away future reference.
 
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If the article had mentioned observing those negro pickets receiving their government paychecks it would actually mean something. As it was, negroes held by the Confederate army did whatever the soldiers told them to do, dig latrine or stand picket. meh.
Readers of the article, and the soldiers who observed the incident, are admittedly looking in from the outside. We don't know the status of those black pickets, whether slave or free, and we don't know if they were regularly put on picket duty, or if this was a unusual arrangement (the lengths the two officers went to in order to confirm the report suggests they had not seen black pickets before). That the men were "half and half" with white soldiers may show some uncertainty as to how a group of 50 armed black men would behave, so they were not allowed to segregate into their own all black group. The article notes that they were cavalry pickets, so it could be that these particular black men had riding skills that allowed them to rise above the rank and file and perform at least this military duty.

It's a lot of speculation, admittedly. But interesting to look into.
 
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I copied your information below. The details of these two men and where they were are accurately related in the article, so that much of the story checks out. If we could read their report to Washington, in whatever form it took, that would be a key piece of supporting evidence.

Below are the two Union Soldiers from the 2nd U.S. Cavalry mentioned in the article.


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Lewis Thompson Enlisted as a Private in the 71st NY Militia on 4/12/1861. He mustered out on 7/30/1861 in New York, NY. On 2/19/1862. He was commissioned a 2nd Lieutenant into the U.S. Army 2nd Calvary. 1st Lieutenant 10/28/1862. POW at Brandy Station 6/9/1862. Captain by Brevet 6/21/1863. Major by Brevet 9/25/1865. Captain 7/28/1866. He was born in Pennsylvania. Died 7/19/1876.

Henry Erastus Noyes was born in Maine. Graduate USMA, 6/21/1861. Commissioned the same day a 2nd Lieutenant in the 2nd U.S. Cavalry. 1st Lt. 2/15/1862. Captain by Brevet 8/1/1863, Brandy Station, Virginia. Major 4/2/1865 by Brevet Selma, Alabama. Retired from the Army, 11/16/1901.
A bit more info on these two career U.S. Army Officers. If their dispatches concerning this incident happened to be found (highly unlikely) There would quickly be the demand to see the corresponding Confederate orders that placed Negro pickets at this post. (even more unlikely to be found), in order to validate what the Union officers reported they saw. This same article is found in the Nashville Daily Union, March 20, 1863. A newspaper in Union occupied Nashville, Tn.

https://regularcavalryincivilwar.wordpress.com/tag/lewis-thompson/

http://noyesgenealogy.com/?page_id=410
 
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A bit more info on these two career U.S. Army Officers. If their dispatches concerning this incident happened to be found (highly unlikely) There would quickly be the demand to see the corresponding Confederate orders that placed Negro pickets at this post. (even more unlikely to be found), in order to validate what the Union officers reported they saw. This same article is found in the Nashville Daily Union, March 20, 1863. A newspaper in Union occupied Nashville, Tn.

https://regularcavalryincivilwar.wordpress.com/tag/lewis-thompson/

http://noyesgenealogy.com/?page_id=410
Variations on this story can be found in at least the following papers (and I haven't posted them all in the main thread because some are exact duplicates of earlier articles). So for about a week, these newspapers talked about this incident.

0313 - Daily intelligencer. (Wheeling, Va. [W. Va.]) 1859-1865, March 13, 1863 - posted
0313 - Daily Ohio statesman. (Columbus, Ohio) 1855-1870, March 13, 1863 - posted
0313 - The New York herald. (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, March 13, 1863 - posted
0314 - Burlington weekly hawk-eye. (Burlington [Iowa]) 1860-1876, March 14, 1863
0314 - Dayton daily empire. (Dayton [Ohio]) 1850-1865, March 14, 1863 - posted
0314 - The daily Evansville journal. (Evansville, Ind.) 1862-1863, March 14, 1863 - posted
0314 - The daily Green Mountain freeman. (Montpelier, Vt.) 1861-1865, March 14, 1863 - posted
0314 - The Nashville daily union. (Nashville, Tenn.) 1862-1866, March 14, 1863 - posted
0316 - Cleveland morning leader March 16, 1863 - posted - names and details
0316 - Daily intelligencer. (Wheeling, Va. [W. Va.]) 1859-1865, March 16, 1863 (2)
0316 - Indiana State sentinel. (Indianapolis, Ind.) 1861-1865, March 16, 1863
0316 - The daily Evansville journal. (Evansville, Ind.) 1862-1863, March 16, 1863 - posted
0316 - The_Pantagraph_Mon__Mar_16__1863_ - posted
0316 - The_Wheeling_Daily_Intelligencer_Mon__Mar_16__1863_ - posted
0319 - Nebraska advertiser. (Brownville, Nemaha County, N.T. [Neb.]) 1856-1882, March 19, 1863 - posted
0319 - Rutland weekly herald. (Rutland, Vt.) 1859-1877, March 19, 1863 - posted Rappahannock pickets and Van Dorn - posted
0319 - The Cass County Republican March 19, 1863 article 2 - posted Rappahannock and Franklin
0320 - Nashville Daily Union, March 20, 1863 - posted
0320 - Orleans independent standard. (Irasburgh, Vt.) 1856-1871, March 20, 1863 - posted
0321 - The Nashville daily union., March 21, 1863 - posted
0321 - The Smoky Hill and Republican union. (Junction City, Kan.) 1861-1864, March 21, 1863
 
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There were also reports of black men performing picket duty at Bailey's Cross Roads in late 1861, so the 1863 sighting was not the only incident. And here we also have the officer who reported the sighting, Major Lemon of the 32nd New York.

The New York herald. September 16, 1861
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0916 - New-York daily tribune September 16, 1861 - posted
0916 - The New York herald. September 16, 1861 - posted
0917 - Cincinnati daily press. (Cincinnati [Ohio]) 1860-1862, September 17, 1861 - posted
0917 - Delaware State journal and statesman. (Wilmington, Del.) 1855-1870, September 17, 1861
0917 - The Evansville daily journal. (Evansville, Ia. [i.e. Ind.]) 1848-1862, September 17, 1861 - posted
0917 - The Hillsdale standard. (Hillsdale, Mich.) 1851-1909, September 17, 1861 - posted
0918 - Indiana State sentinel. (Indianapolis, Ind.) 1861-1865, September 18, 1861 - posted
 
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There were also reports of black men performing picket duty at Bailey's Cross Roads in late 1861, so the 1863 sighting was not the only incident. And here we also have the officer who reported the sighting, Major Lemon of the 32nd New York.

The New York herald. September 16, 1861
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0916 - New-York daily tribune September 16, 1861 - posted
0916 - The New York herald. September 16, 1861 - posted
0917 - Cincinnati daily press. (Cincinnati [Ohio]) 1860-1862, September 17, 1861 - posted
0917 - Delaware State journal and statesman. (Wilmington, Del.) 1855-1870, September 17, 1861
0917 - The Evansville daily journal. (Evansville, Ia. [i.e. Ind.]) 1848-1862, September 17, 1861 - posted
0917 - The Hillsdale standard. (Hillsdale, Mich.) 1851-1909, September 17, 1861 - posted
0918 - Indiana State sentinel. (Indianapolis, Ind.) 1861-1865, September 18, 1861 - posted
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Variations on this story can be found in at least the following papers (and I haven't posted them all in the main thread because some are exact duplicates of earlier articles). So for about a week, these newspapers talked about this incident.

0313 - Daily intelligencer. (Wheeling, Va. [W. Va.]) 1859-1865, March 13, 1863 - posted
0313 - Daily Ohio statesman. (Columbus, Ohio) 1855-1870, March 13, 1863 - posted
0313 - The New York herald. (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, March 13, 1863 - posted
0314 - Burlington weekly hawk-eye. (Burlington [Iowa]) 1860-1876, March 14, 1863
0314 - Dayton daily empire. (Dayton [Ohio]) 1850-1865, March 14, 1863 - posted
0314 - The daily Evansville journal. (Evansville, Ind.) 1862-1863, March 14, 1863 - posted
0314 - The daily Green Mountain freeman. (Montpelier, Vt.) 1861-1865, March 14, 1863 - posted
0314 - The Nashville daily union. (Nashville, Tenn.) 1862-1866, March 14, 1863 - posted
0316 - Cleveland morning leader March 16, 1863 - posted - names and details
0316 - Daily intelligencer. (Wheeling, Va. [W. Va.]) 1859-1865, March 16, 1863 (2)
0316 - Indiana State sentinel. (Indianapolis, Ind.) 1861-1865, March 16, 1863
0316 - The daily Evansville journal. (Evansville, Ind.) 1862-1863, March 16, 1863 - posted
0316 - The_Pantagraph_Mon__Mar_16__1863_ - posted
0316 - The_Wheeling_Daily_Intelligencer_Mon__Mar_16__1863_ - posted
0319 - Nebraska advertiser. (Brownville, Nemaha County, N.T. [Neb.]) 1856-1882, March 19, 1863 - posted
0319 - Rutland weekly herald. (Rutland, Vt.) 1859-1877, March 19, 1863 - posted Rappahannock pickets and Van Dorn - posted
0319 - The Cass County Republican March 19, 1863 article 2 - posted Rappahannock and Franklin
0320 - Nashville Daily Union, March 20, 1863 - posted
0320 - Orleans independent standard. (Irasburgh, Vt.) 1856-1871, March 20, 1863 - posted
0321 - The Nashville daily union., March 21, 1863 - posted
0321 - The Smoky Hill and Republican union. (Junction City, Kan.) 1861-1864, March 21, 1863
There were press associations that telegraphed articles to subscribing newspapers
 



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