Thankyou ROB 63 for your advice & --appreciate --but I am perplexed!
when you say --the dimensions of a Kentucky OR Philadelphia long rifle --does not exist
then I must disagree
a master lock maker --in Poland ---nice fella
has just sent me a detailed drawing / schematic --called the BECK DIMENSIONS OF A STOCK
--- it HAS most of the most important dimensions ---labelled in --although not too clear MANY mysteries --as a novice I will eventually learn the weird jargon--
the wrist / butt classic--- curve angle-- I so desperately sought after ( 22o deg obtuse angle )
is clearly shown ---plus many other dimensions - some are puzzling--not too clear a drawing --
I have a French lock 1770 from a PDF sent from UK -& Europe-( I have asked many pestering questions but --it finally works well -thanks to huge help from Mark ELLIOT -? 6 OTHER forums --great people ----wonderful advice on mettalurgy /spring tempering in the backwoods
Have pested experts on --4 other--blackpowder muzzle-loader forums on 3 continents --for past 4 months
dimensions /blueprints /patterns --do exist !--just have to keep searching
all it really takes is really quite simple -- not ROCKET SCIENCE for heavens sake
just grab hold of a nice American walnut fancy classic flintlock long rifle --any period -not fussy
any will do --just love those vintage classic-- wrist /comb lines--!
--and MEASURE the stock ----every part ---that's relevant ie-- wrist thickness /upper forearm length
butt height ----width at lock area ----those basic measurements are important for sawing the rough blank out of a huge LOG cannot keep working blind ?
ALL I have is a huge mahogany beam ---- CUT roughly 6ft x 6 inchesthick x 14 inches wide --well seasoned
and I have NO IDEA where to find a basic shape --scaling up /guessing is a dead end
DIMENSIONS --DIMENSIONS ---- any one building a house or car or bow or gun --needs some sort of rough guide or measurements ? surely ?got to start somewhere ---this is a first for me --obviously made many stupid errors ----too thin --wrong angles ---no template or sillohette or any guide --just hundreds of fotos !----no good-----
nice to pop round to your blank stock supplier --or order the pre-inletted stock s--custom made---
I live very far in the bush from such luxuries ---but ----love to build it from scratch ---that's all I asked for!
how on earth --do I guess --as a novice ----how wide /long /deep ---to saw the rough blank profile?
I have ruined 15 locks by guessing ---no DIMENSIONS ---then I was given a break --from Poland --dead accurate dimensions ---for every single part of a French lock ---- huge PDF--- With detailed analysis of its spring tensions ---which parts to case harden /dynamic working of this lock etc etc--brilliant --took 6 months to find ---
how you can say dimensions do not exist --is astounding
surely several thousand flintlock ./long rifle owners --can send me a rough drawing --with measurements drawn in ?
BECK drawing -shows for example-of a long rifle stock ---no idea what period ---
1--overall length=59 inches
2--trigger pull ---ie trigger to butt =137/8 inches
3-butt height 4 -3/4 inches
4--wrist height ---1.45 inches
5--wrist width--1.32 inches
6 width ---at lock TAIL ?--1.65 inches
7 drop of butt-2 inches -?----( does this 2 INCHES --GIVES THE CLASSIC CURVE FROM BUTT INTO FOREARM)??---no -- I think its deeper --angle of 220 degrees -obtuse angle !
( I assume ? ) I give up --keep throwing away ridiculous mistakes ----begging for a few accurate measurements is going no-where--- but THOSE DIMENSIONS DO EXIST ---SOMEWHERE!
8 lock plate width --7/8 inch ?? makes no sense ----lock plate ? width ? with cock hammer /springs etc installed ---ie the mortise hole for the lock has to be HOW DEEP ? 7/8 inch??? --again ---DIMENSIONS
( TOO DEEP & WEAKEN the lock wood area--
where exactly do you position the lock on the stock when you have no barrel ?
again --dimensions required
yet --they don't exist ?250 yrs of lock building worldwide ----& 7 NO -ONE HAS RECORDED
A SAVED / FILED / SKETCHED A BASIC STOCK SHAPE DIMENSIONS?
I tried to build the trigger /square cam plate etc ----7 attempts ----finally -without dimensions --got it working --that's really stupid logic ---
IF some kind person has a pre-carved blank stock for ANY type of flintlock rifle
please ---measure the outline /with /length for me ----please
so I can begin to cut the 20 th attempt at a stock without ruining rare mahogany trees
appreciate-- Bang