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More specifically, did the Carondelet have its name painted on it in December of 1864? If so, where was it painted? On the side, back, chimney?
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Thanks, Mark. I think we once met at a relic show in Dover, TN. That was before I wrote my first book.hmm.... Interesting question. The traditional place to put the vessel's name was on the stern; or, in the case of sidewheelers, very frequently on the wheelhouses (though that was a civilian thing rather than a Navy tradition). The Pook Turtles had no really good place to display the name corresponding to either. I doubt they had the names displayed prominently at all. They did have the distinguishing painted bands mentioned earlier, and at least some of them had a distinctive emblem on the "spreader bear" between the chimneys. The Carondelet's bands were red and her emblem was an anchor (in a number of places it's mentioned as a five-pointed star, but that isn't correct; Henry Walke both described and sketched her emblem as an anchor). (Which one had the star? Unclear, but my money is on Mound City. The St. Louis/Baron De Kalb's was, rather famously, a symbol much like a Masonic emblem, though whether it was actually that or not has been debated.)
The Ellet rams apparently carried a Letter key for their names between their smokestacks. Oddly enough I've never heard of this issue being addressed regarding CSN or RDS vessels.I don't believe they had names on them, but they did have different color markings on their smokestacks so that they could be told apart at a distance.
There is a woodblock engraving illustration of the Ellet rams with large letters suspended between their stacks in my post in this thread.The Ellet rams apparently carried a Letter key for their names between their smokestacks. Oddly enough I've never heard of this issue being addressed regarding CSN or RDS vessels.
The USS Essex, which was converted from the St. Louis ferryboat New Era, had it's "name" "SX" prominently displayed for all to see.Here's a sketch of the New Era. I wonder if it's safe to say the Carondelet had similar markings. View attachment 394993
Outstanding work, Rhea! Thank you for this. Those dents in the USS Leigh are amazing!This question sent me on quite a quest.
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The ironclad USS Black Terror did not have its name painted on the hull.
Of course, it didn't have iron-cladding, guns or a crew, but did have a motto:
"Deluded People Cave In"
She did, however, live up to her name & did spread terror along the Mississippi River.
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The tactical numerals on the pilothouse of the Moose is typical of timber & tin clads.
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The timberclads that raided up the Tennessee after the fall of Fort Henry were painted black.
The intention was to make them look threatening.
Apparently, it worked. The sight of the black monsters chuffing upstream created a panic
similar to that of a Klingon Bird of Prey landing in a Walmart parking lot.
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Ellet's Rams hung letters between the stacks for tactical identification & control.
Mississippi Squadron gunboats did something similar with geometric symbols & painting their smokestacks.
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Painting Hospital on vessels like the Red Rover indicated their function but did not deter Confederates from firing on her.
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This image of the Monitor USS LEHIGH with the ship's name painted amid dents from CSA cannon balls was taken post war.
Maybe gunboats did not have their names painted on them for security purposes? I don't know.
What I do know is that while civilian & auxiliary vessels often sported the name of the vessel
in a highly decorative typeface, I have not found any images of CW wartime gunboats with names.
If anybody finds one, I certainly want to see it.
Thanks, the image is from the NavSource photo archive online. It is a brilliant resource. CW monitors were in service, brought back by the Spanish American War & still lingering until the end of the 1890's. Too bad nobody thought to preserve one of the veterans like the Lehigh as a museum ship.Outstanding work, Rhea! Thank you for this. Those dents in the USS Leigh are amazing!
Not that I doubt you, but concerning your statement "The tactical numerals on the pilothouse of the Moose is typical of timber & tin clads."This question sent me on quite a quest.
View attachment 395048
The ironclad USS Black Terror did not have its name painted on the hull.
Of course, it didn't have iron-cladding, guns or a crew, but did have a motto:
"Deluded People Cave In"
She did, however, live up to her name & did spread terror along the Mississippi River.
View attachment 395049
The tactical numerals on the pilothouse of the Moose is typical of timber & tin clads.
View attachment 395051
The timberclads that raided up the Tennessee after the fall of Fort Henry were painted black.
The intention was to make them look threatening.
Apparently, it worked. The sight of the black monsters chuffing upstream created a panic
similar to that of a Klingon Bird of Prey landing in a Walmart parking lot.
View attachment 395052
Ellet's Rams hung letters between the stacks for tactical identification & control.
Mississippi Squadron gunboats did something similar with geometric symbols & painting their smokestacks.
View attachment 395053
Painting Hospital on vessels like the Red Rover indicated their function but did not deter Confederates from firing on her.
View attachment 395050
This image of the Monitor USS LEHIGH with the ship's name painted amid dents from CSA cannon balls was taken post war.
Maybe gunboats did not have their names painted on them for security purposes? I don't know.
What I do know is that while civilian & auxiliary vessels often sported the name of the vessel
in a highly decorative typeface, I have not found any images of CW wartime gunboats with names.
If anybody finds one, I certainly want to see it.
I refer you to the NavSource.org Old Navy Steam & Sail photo archive online. It contains photos, drawings & bios of virtually all of the military vessels of the CW. The remarkable thing about the photo of the Moose, which was the flagship of the gunboat flotilla on the Cumberland & Tennessee. It is the only known & only recently discovered image of the Moose..Not that I doubt you, but concerning your statement "The tactical numerals on the pilothouse of the Moose is typical of timber & tin clads."
It is well known that tinclads were identified as such, but I was unaware that timberclads were also.
Can you give me any information about the timberclads' numbers or guide to a source that verifies this, please?
I was only referring to your statement concerning timberclads having a numerical identification.I refer you to the NavSource.org Old Navy Steam & Sail photo archive online. It contains photos, drawings & bios of virtually all of the military vessels of the CW. The remarkable thing about the photo of the Moose, which was the flagship of the gunboat flotilla on the Cumberland & Tennessee. It is the only known & only recently discovered image of the Moose..
View attachment 395201I am not sure that the Zeta is the kind of ferocious looking vessel you are looking for, but she does have a number 6 as a tactical marking.
Zeta, Patrol Torpedo Boat #6 circa 1864-5 LOC
Note the torpedo spar on her bow.