Discussion Davis, Hardee, Pemberton

atlantis

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Do we know why Davis didn't just order Hardee to take permanent command after Bragg resigned. Also do we know why Davis allowed Pemberton to resign as LT general when Pemberton had simply carried out Davis command to defend Vicksburg at all costs. Both men were competent officers equal to if not superior to Bragg, A S Johnston or Beauregard.
 

jackt62

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After the fall of Vicksburg, there was little opportunity for Pemberton to be placed elsewhere at his level, given that he had not only lost the confidence of the troops (and much of the civilian population as well) but was considered a traitor by many in the south.
 

Polloco

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As far as Davis allowing Pemberton to resign , Davis' friend Braxton Bragg more than likely put a bug in Davis' ear concerning the situation and said "it would not be advisable" for him (Bragg) to take on a discredited Pemberton. After his exchange and return to Richmond Pemberton waited almost 8 months for his assignment.
 

atlantis

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Pemberton was no traitor to the confederacy. As for his subordinates they sure as hell were no beauties. The Vicksburg defense was undermined by a courier betrayal.
What Hardee wanted was immaterial he was a soldier and had a duty to carry out a lawful order.
Davis stoutly defended incompetents like Northrup, Bragg, Hood .
 

trice

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As far as Davis allowing Pemberton to resign , Davis' friend Braxton Bragg more than likely put a bug in Davis' ear concerning the situation and said "it would not be advisable" for him (Bragg) to take on a discredited Pemberton. After his exchange and return to Richmond Pemberton waited almost 8 months for his assignment.

I doubt Davis and Bragg should be described as "friends".

They both went to West Point, but Davis graduated in 1828 and resigned in 1835. Bragg graduated in 1837, so they never knew one another in their Regular Army days. Davis did come down to fight in Mexico as colonel of a Mississippi regiment for about 9 months (left New Orleans July 21, 1846) and was with Taylor at Monterey and Buena Vista (where Bragg and Davis won the battle for Taylor). Then Davis was appointed Senator and left. Davis admired Bragg's performance there and his strict sense of duty and efficiency.

Bragg had a decades long record of fighting with superiors about strange things. When he was an Artillery 2nd Lt fresh out of West Point, Bragg started a feud with the head of the Artillery branch, then expanded that to include the commanding general of the Army, Winfield Scott. In the 1850s, when Davis was Secretary of War, they feuded but Davis promoted Bragg to be a major in the new 2nd Cavalry Regiment (a plum assignment that ambitious Army officers would fight to get). Bragg did not want it, digging his heels in and refusing to say when he'd report. Eventually, the 2nd Cavalry wrote to Washington asking if Major Bragg was ever going to show up. Washington put the question to Bragg, who decided to resign (he had married a rich Louisiana woman in 1849, this was 1855) -- Bragg took over a 100+ slave sugar plantation and ran it with Army efficiency, making even more money.

George Thomas got Bragg's spot with the 2nd Cavalry.
 

Polloco

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True enough but Bragg was a full general Pemberton was not. I would think Davis would listen to a suggestion from a general rather than a
I doubt Davis and Bragg should be described as "friends".

They both went to West Point, but Davis graduated in 1828 and resigned in 1835. Bragg graduated in 1837, so they never knew one another in their Regular Army days. Davis did come down to fight in Mexico as colonel of a Mississippi regiment for about 9 months (left New Orleans July 21, 1846) and was with Taylor at Monterey and Buena Vista (where Bragg and Davis won the battle for Taylor). Then Davis was appointed Senatoraavis admired Bragg's performance there and his strict sense of duty and efficiency.

Bragg had a decades long record of fighting with superiors about strange things. When he was an Artillery 2nd Lt fresh out of West Point, Bragg started a feud with the head of the Artillery branch, then expanded that to include the commanding general of the Army, Winfield Scott. In the 1850s, when Davis was Secretary of War, they feuded but Davis promoted Bragg to be a major in the new 2nd Cavalry Regiment (a plum assignment that ambitious Army officers would fight to get). Bragg did not want it, digging s heels in and refusing to say when he'd report. Eventually, the 2nd Cavalrywrote to Washington asking if Major Bragg was ever going to show up. Washington put the question to Bragg, who decided t
 

Saruman

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As far as Davis allowing Pemberton to resign , Davis' friend Braxton Bragg more than likely put a bug in Davis' ear concerning the situation and said "it would not be advisable" for him (Bragg) to take on a discredited Pemberton. After his exchange and return to Richmond Pemberton waited almost 8 months for his assignment.

The fact that Pemberton accepted a lieutenant colonelcy in the artillery when Davis couldn't find another position for him shows him to be truly dedicated to the South. I think other generals in a similar situation would have simply resigned and gone home to sulk (i.e., someone like Joe Johnston).
 
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