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Custer the American Hero?

Discussion in 'Other Notable Biographies' started by major bill, Dec 29, 2016.

  1. Jimbo_Poke

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    Let me see if I can find the college paper I wrote, there were a couple of books that gave perspectives from the Sioux, Crow, and U.S. Army. They may not be the easiest books to find as I got them from the university library. I will try and do that tonight.

    Plus Sheridan, Story, and Buffalo all offer nice places for tourists to eat some grub (Buffalo go Winchester's for steak) and rest their heads.
     
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  3. Waterloo50

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    That's very kind of you.:thumbsup:
     
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    Waterloo50 Captain Silver Patron

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    Aaah, the Valley of Death, the Crimea is to you what Little Bighorn is to me.:thumbsup:
     
  5. 1NCCAV

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    Just think.....Harry Flashman survived both! Ha!
     
  6. diane

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    I have to laugh at that $850,000. In the 70s California decided to settle all Native claims by giving everybody a settlement. Big real estate boom, you see, and a lot of piddling little tribes and bands making a fuss. So they pulled out a rather attractive sum then deducted the $850,000 plus a hundred-odd years of interest and paid the leftover amount to anybody who could prove they had one drop Indian, even if it wasn't California Indian. Should have seen the Natives pour out of the woodwork! :laugh: Most got a couple hundred - if they applied for it. Turns out, they sent you the check even if you didn't apply so if you cashed it, they could say you'd agreed to drop any claims... Again, a lot of Indians didn't catch that part! Mom's tribe had a huge area and they'd been almost exterminated during the Gold Rush - it worked out to less than 30 cents an acre. (And no beads...:mad:)
     
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    I know this is a bit off topic but I had to post Chief Joseph's surrender speech......I used to have it up at work where only I could see it easily. It really stirs up mixed emotions for me every time I read it.

    Tell General Howard I know his heart. What he told me before, I have it in my heart. I am tired of fighting. Our Chiefs are killed; Looking Glass is dead, Ta Hool Hool Shute is dead. The old men are all dead. It is the young men who say yes or no. He who led on the young men is dead. It is cold, and we have no blankets; the little children are freezing to death. My people, some of them, have run away to the hills, and have no blankets, no food. No one knows where they are - perhaps freezing to death. I want to have time to look for my children, and see how many of them I can find. Maybe I shall find them among the dead. Hear me, my Chiefs! I am tired; my heart is sick and sad. From where the sun now stands I will fight no more forever.
     
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    that's general sir harry flashman, vc

    americans
     
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  9. Bee

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    Just too bloody familiar, eh? :smile:
     
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    That made me chuckle, the Romans invaded Britain on three separate occasions, by the time Claudius arrived with his four Roman legions most of the tribes in Britain had already established trading relationships with Roman traders, so for the most part, a lot of Celtic tribes thought that it wasn't a bad thing to be under Roman rule. There was however one tribe in particular 'Iceni Tribe' the British version of the Apache, that caused nothing but trouble, they wouldn't give up their lands, they wouldn't live under Roman law and they certainly wouldn't trade with the Romans, I guess that they just didn't like beads.
    It seems that just about every army has its Custer, the Roman equivilant would be Publius Quinctilius Varus, he lost three Roman legions in the Teutoburg Forest at the hands of the Germanic tribes.

    Boudica of the Iceni, note, No beads.:smile:
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    There you go! Check out the tats, though - lots of big medicine. That was also Nelson's tribe - they cranked out the fighters. :thumbsup: His dad's side had Vikings and Scots, so he was just born to kick somebody's rear! :D
     
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    HMS Boadicea, a cruiser which served in World War I, one of several RN ships honoring the warrior queen.
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    My home, the place where I was born was home to the Catuvellauni tribe, the name Catuvellauni means 'Battle Leader', it was led by High King Caratacus. they fought hard against the Romans, when the tribe was led by king Cassivellaunus it took on the might of Julius Caesar and his legions, they were a kind of resistence force and they pretty much used the same tactics as the Plains Indians, lots of skirmishes and a few minor battles but mostly hit and run. They eventually succumbed to the might of Rome and were forced to remain in their allotted tribal area, it was only when the Roman expeditionary force which was led by Caesar started to withdraw that the Catuvellauni started to expand and take on the other Celtic tribes, It strikes me that there are many similarities between the British tribes and the Native American, both fight for their freedom, both fight to preserve their lands, both are subdued and forced to remain in settlement areas and both have to sit and watch an invading force strip the land clean of its natural resources.
     
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    as albert uderzo sees cassivelaunus
     
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    unlike a certain mr wellesley he didn't have any allies from the continent, so he lost

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    had they arrived in time ...
     
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    What about the dastardly ambush in the Teutoburg Forest, those sneaky Germanic tribes, that wasn't very sporting now was it.
     
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    is there anybody (besides a couple of posh narcissists) who think war has anything in common with sports
     
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    God I love the internet. Here I am, sitting in Virginia, reading the conversation of an Englishman and a German taking very polite jabs at one another. I would just point out that Noel Coward admonished us "To not be beastly to the Huns."
     
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    if i do that seriously they quite surely manage to drag the yanks into it - again :D
     
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    The Brits did best when they stuck to fighting at sea and bankrolled Prussian and other German armies to fight in Europe.
     
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    care to explain when that allegedly happened?
     
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