Grant Contemporary Historians Weigh in on Grant

Hey, Bee,

I've been away for several days and I'm seeing this thread (already three screens and growing) for the very first time. I'll try to wade through it tomorrow and respond. Thanks for posting. I like Grant, but I am certainly no expert on him. I'm sure I'll learn a thing or two. Thanks again!
 
You are not being honest in your claim. Grant didn't request his resignation. Grant wasn't about to request his resignation. Grant wasn't about to fire Cox.

Cox wasn't fired. Cox resigned on his own in order to try to pressure Grant.

I don't appreciate being accused of dishonesty. The PP already posted the link to Schmiel's bio that shows Grant was about to fire Cox.

You are being dishonest, Mr. Cash. Why?
 
Here is another source that seems to back your claim. I will focus your attention of the phrase "resigned under pressure" and "Cox was forced out of the Cabinet":
https://books.google.com/books?id=E...VAhWr6IMKHdEsD1IQ6AEIPDAE#v=onepage&q&f=false

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Nice to have a source. Now let's evaluate it.

"AuthorHouse" allows one to publish one's own books, period.

http://www.authorhouse.com/

And who is Walter Coffey?

http://www.waltercoffey.com/Author.html

In contrast, Mark Summers, in The Era of Good Stealings (Oxford University Press, 1993), argues on page 196 that Cox sent in a letter of resignation hoping to force Grant's hand on civil service reform, but that Grant foiled the trick by accepting it. It was not the first time Cox had tried to force Grant's hand by offering his resignation (see page 195). Grant simply had suffered enough, and so he accepted Cox's letter.

Summers, who's a professor at the University of Kentucky, has written several books, and this one is rather copiously footnoted from primary sources. It's a rather extensive examination of politics and corruption during this era.

I think I'll accept Summers over Coffey.
 
Hey, Bee,

I've been away for several days and I'm seeing this thread (already three screens and growing) for the very first time. I'll try to wade through it tomorrow and respond. Thanks for posting. I like Grant, but I am certainly no expert on him. I'm sure I'll learn a thing or two. Thanks again!

Nice to see you, Patrick! I always welcome your presence and value your input :smile:
 
I don't appreciate being accused of dishonesty. The PP already posted the link to Schmiel's bio that shows Grant was about to fire Cox.

You are being dishonest, Mr. Cash. Why?

Wrong again. The link did not say Grant was about to fire Cox. I even doubt you have the book like you claimed.
 
Nice to have a source. Now let's evaluate it.

"AuthorHouse" allows one to publish one's own books, period.

http://www.authorhouse.com/

And who is Walter Coffey?

http://www.waltercoffey.com/Author.html

In contrast, Mark Summers, in The Era of Good Stealings (Oxford University Press, 1993), argues on page 196 that Cox sent in a letter of resignation hoping to force Grant's hand on civil service reform, but that Grant foiled the trick by accepting it. It was not the first time Cox had tried to force Grant's hand by offering his resignation (see page 195). Grant simply had suffered enough, and so he accepted Cox's letter.

Summers, who's a professor at the University of Kentucky, has written several books, and this one is rather copiously footnoted from primary sources. It's a rather extensive examination of politics and corruption during this era.

I think I'll accept Summers over Coffey.
So you do that. It came up on a quick search. I'm not sweating it.
 
So you do that. It came up on a quick search. I'm not sweating it.
Shrug. I'll let the members of the newsgroup decide which is the better, more informed account: a synthisis taken from dated books in a self-published account or Professor Summers.

You provided the source. You chose to do it quick and dirty. I'd be worried if I were so sloppy, but to each his own.
 
Nice to have a source. Now let's evaluate it.

"AuthorHouse" allows one to publish one's own books, period.

http://www.authorhouse.com/

And who is Walter Coffey?

http://www.waltercoffey.com/Author.html

In contrast, Mark Summers, in The Era of Good Stealings (Oxford University Press, 1993), argues on page 196 that Cox sent in a letter of resignation hoping to force Grant's hand on civil service reform, but that Grant foiled the trick by accepting it. It was not the first time Cox had tried to force Grant's hand by offering his resignation (see page 195). Grant simply had suffered enough, and so he accepted Cox's letter.

Summers, who's a professor at the University of Kentucky, has written several books, and this one is rather copiously footnoted from primary sources. It's a rather extensive examination of politics and corruption during this era.

I think I'll accept Summers over Coffey.

Ah! The old "Bluff or Huff" resignation. It did not work out for Hooker, and it did not work for Cox. Great source, Summers: I have had the opportunity to view his seminar video from CWI2016.
 
Shrug. I'll let the members of the newsgroup decide which is the better, more informed account: a synthisis taken from dated books in a self-published account or Professor Summers.

You provided the source. You chose to do it quick and dirty. I'd be worried if I were so sloppy, but to each his own.
For this? No, I'm not concerned. I'm actually multi-tasking tonight with three different things. Posting on here is last on the list.
 
Noted. One can assess accordingly.
Again, fine with me. The other two things I have been doing are vastly more important than this thread. As I mentioned, it was one of the first hits when I quickly searched the query. And it did support what Drew was stating. Which is what I initially stated.
 
Again, fine with me. The other two things I have been doing are vastly more important than this thread. As I mentioned, it was one of the first hits when I quickly searched the query. And it did support what Drew was stating. Which is what I initially stated.

We're each entitled to our own opinion on whether Mr. Coffey's a worthwhile source.
 
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